Donald Trump Has Been Indicted

Lisnaholic · 04-16-2023, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Everyone thinks this is what he's getting in trouble for but it's NOT exactly that. He's getting in trouble for being cheap and using campaign finances to pay off a hooker, well porn star. That's where he got himself in trouble. If he would have just used his own money to do it he wouldn't be in trouble. He used campaign finances to do it breaking campaign finance laws and that's what got him in trouble. Being a cheap tight wad which is hilarious.

Thank you for clarifying the legal issue at the heart of the hush money case, dj. It's not just "paying off a hooker" as Batlord describes it: it is campaign finance (and tax?) fraud: a crime that sent M Cohen to prison.

After Mueller and two impeachments, it's understandable to wonder if the rule of law will catch up with Trump, but those who are too eager to paint the Dems or the justice system as too weak are unwittingly giving credence to the notion that Trump is untouchable.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is my view, too. In terms of slight hyperbole, you could say Trump is the biggest mass-murderer of his own people in history. Plenty of presidents sent their boys (and girls) off to war, but this was different. This was a man who should have been leading the country and doing all he could to save as many of - let's face it - his voters as possible, yet he ignored it, denied it, pretended it didn't exist, pretended it was no big deal, and DIRECTLY through his example contributed to the deaths of over a million Americans. For that alone, he should never be let within a hundred miles of the Oval Office ever again. What he did was unprecedented, and if he somehow gets re-elected then it only proves that the American people are dumber than the dumbest monkeys in any zoo you wish to name.

Oh, and of course, let's not forget his attempted pusch of January 6.

Thanks Trollheart! I appreciate that you share my perspective on this issue, which has largely been forgotten by the mainstream media because of the flurry of their day-to-day headline hunting. "History will show..." is a rather over-used expression, but I hope that the history books will make clear the cost of Trump's fatally mismanaged response to Covid. Those history books will prob be banned in the USA, but at least the rest of the world will know what went on.

Stephen · 06-09-2023, 06:46 AM

Indicted over his mishandling of classified documents. Must admit the schadenfreude is strong with this one.

Psy-Fi · 06-09-2023, 02:48 PM

At this point they're throwing any charge they can dig up at him and hoping one will stick and knock him out of the 2024 Presidential race.

Stephen · 06-09-2023, 04:58 PM

I mean he kept those documents because he knows what they’re worth to dodgy foreign powers. He is dumb, greedy and arrogant enough to have disseminated information to the wrong hands.

The Batlord · 06-09-2023, 06:21 PM

I hope they come at him with everything they can and people who point out that what they're doing is political weak sauce are just smug morons who are announcing that they have read a headline. Is it dumb that they're only going after state **** two years after Jan 6? Yeah. Do I have hope they'll accomplish anything? Meh. Am I willing to watch this in case he actually gets put in jail? Sure. Am I stupid enough to tell everyone how little I care about mishandling classified documents as if it makes me a cool guy? Nah.

The Batlord · 06-09-2023, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

for sure

Congrats on recognizing the obvious.

Psy-Fi · 06-10-2023, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

for sure

Imagine what a $hit show it'll be if he beats whatever charges they hit him with and he goes on to get the Republican nomination and then beats Biden in the 2024 Presidential election.

The Batlord · 06-10-2023, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi

Imagine what a $hit show it'll be if he beats whatever charges they hit him with and he goes on to get the Republican nomination and then beats Biden in the 2024 Presidential election.

You could always spread your ass cheeks for him now so he won't be mean to you when he's president.

Lisnaholic · 06-10-2023, 08:27 AM

Although we can agree about various musical enthusiasms, Psy-Fi, I fear that we are hopelessly on opposite sides of the divide in US politics.

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi

At this point they're throwing any charge they can dig up at him and hoping one will stick and knock him out of the 2024 Presidential race.

elph and Batlord may agree with the above, but to me, that seems to be a completely inaccurate description of Trump's indictment. I prefer this explanation:-

Someone who appears to have committed a crime is accused of the crime by the law enforcement authorities.

No malign, undefined "they", so beloved of conspiracy theorists; no Trump exceptionalism. Just the application of the rules about classified documents and obstructing justice. As many commentators have mentioned, "If you or I had done what Trump did, we would have been in jail long ago." Which admittedly means that Trump has been treated exceptionally: not the victim of a political witch-hunt, though, but with extra-patient, kid-glove handling by the authorities.

SGR · 06-10-2023, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Although we can agree about various musical enthusiasms, Psy-Fi, I fear that we are hopelessly on opposite sides of the divide in US politics.

elph and Batlord may agree with the above, but to me, that seems to be a completely inaccurate description of Trump's indictment. I prefer this explanation:-

Someone who appears to have committed a crime is accused of the crime by the law enforcement authorities.

No malign, undefined "they", so beloved of conspiracy theorists; no Trump exceptionalism. Just the application of the rules about classified documents and obstructing justice. As many commentators have mentioned, "If you or I had done what Trump did, we would have been in jail long ago." Which admittedly means that Trump has been treated exceptionally: not the victim of a political witch-hunt, though, but with extra-patient, kid-glove handling by the authorities.

So you really think that after Russiagate, after the findings of the Durham report, after it's been revealed that the US intelligence operatives lied about Hunter Biden's laptop being "Russian disinformation" (resulting in censorship of the subject matter in social media), in the leadup to an election, and after two impeachments that what we're seeing here is just: "No one is above the law"?

Sorry Lisna, I think we're watching different movies. The amount of corrupt crooks and criminals in the United States government (we could just use the warmongers who lied us into Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians as a starting point), and Trump is being pursued for mishandling classified documents? I'm totally fine with someone believing this case is weak or trivial, but being in full support of it regardless and hoping the heaviest hammer comes down because they hate Trump, but to pretend that it isn't politically motivated and is completely and totally unbiased is pretty short-sighted.

Perhaps Trump can use the Hillary Clinton/James Comey "lack of criminal intent in mishandling classified information" defense?

06-09-2023, 06:46 AM	#52 (permalink)
Stephen I sleep in your hat Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Aus. Posts: 1,847	Indicted over his mishandling of classified documents. Must admit the schadenfreude is strong with this one.

06-09-2023, 04:58 PM	#54 (permalink)
Stephen I sleep in your hat Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Aus. Posts: 1,847	I mean he kept those documents because he knows what they’re worth to dodgy foreign powers. He is dumb, greedy and arrogant enough to have disseminated information to the wrong hands.