Is it ok or is it creepy to talk to younger people about music here?

Trollheart · 01-30-2023, 02:10 PM

Well in fairness I didn't say it was the ONLY point, and also, I didn't necessarily say it was about censorship. I said it was about the suppression of knowledge, which it is. Well, the suppression of the will I guess really; they don't, so far as I can remember, want people to read ANY books, not just the "approved ones", as reading leads to thought and can lead to questioning and then action. There may be other themes in it, I'm not denying that, but the main theme is about control, rigid state control over what people think and how they perceive the world. Just like Orwell, though admittedly not as well written at all.

WWWP · 01-30-2023, 02:30 PM

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Why are you betraying Sansa?

Lol was she a fan? I’ll say a prayer.

**Janszoon** · 01-30-2023, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Well in fairness I didn't say it was the ONLY point, and also, I didn't necessarily say it was about censorship. I said it was about the suppression of knowledge, which it is. Well, the suppression of the will I guess really; they don't, so far as I can remember, want people to read ANY books, not just the "approved ones", as reading leads to thought and can lead to questioning and then action. There may be other themes in it, I'm not denying that, but the main theme is about control, rigid state control over what people think and how they perceive the world. Just like Orwell, though admittedly not as well written at all.

I think it's also important to keep in mind that the book was written in response to McCarthyism.

Trollheart · 01-30-2023, 03:04 PM

Well I didn't know that. I'm sure, as I say, it has many themes, but to be honest as I said censorship is not the one that jumps out at me. It's not like they're saying you can read these books but not these; no books are allowed (if I'm remembering it correctly, been a long time) so I see it as more a state control sort of thing, like the way the Nazis tried to have control over every aspect of the Germans' lives, and the way some states are heading, or trying to head, now.

**Frownland** · 01-30-2023, 03:16 PM

Totalitarian censorship is still censorship.

More of the book is dedicated to showing how obsessed the characters are with other media and commodities than burning books, which is why I see "tv bad" as the driving theme of the novel. It definitely smells like the jumping off point for pretty much everything else in the novel too.

**Janszoon** · 01-30-2023, 03:31 PM

Won't someone please think of the poor TVs!

The Batlord · 01-30-2023, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

Lol was she a fan? I’ll say a prayer.

It was one of the few things we bonded over.

Trollheart · 01-30-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Totalitarian censorship is still censorship.

More of the book is dedicated to showing how obsessed the characters are with other media and commodities than burning books, which is why I see "tv bad" as the driving theme of the novel. It definitely smells like the jumping off point for pretty much everything else in the novel too.

Fair point.

Musicwhore A-Z · 08-16-2023, 10:10 PM

Yes.

View Poll Results: Is it ok to talk to younger people here about music?
Yes of course	5	45.45%
No it's creepy	0	0%
Yes as long as it remains only about music	4	36.36%
Don't care	2	18.18%
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01-30-2023, 02:10 PM	#131 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Well in fairness I didn't say it was the ONLY point, and also, I didn't necessarily say it was about censorship. I said it was about the suppression of knowledge, which it is. Well, the suppression of the will I guess really; they don't, so far as I can remember, want people to read ANY books, not just the "approved ones", as reading leads to thought and can lead to questioning and then action. There may be other themes in it, I'm not denying that, but the main theme is about control, rigid state control over what people think and how they perceive the world. Just like Orwell, though admittedly not as well written at all. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-30-2023, 03:04 PM	#134 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Well I didn't know that. I'm sure, as I say, it has many themes, but to be honest as I said censorship is not the one that jumps out at me. It's not like they're saying you can read these books but not these; no books are allowed (if I'm remembering it correctly, been a long time) so I see it as more a state control sort of thing, like the way the Nazis tried to have control over every aspect of the Germans' lives, and the way some states are heading, or trying to head, now. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-30-2023, 03:16 PM	#135 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Totalitarian censorship is still censorship. More of the book is dedicated to showing how obsessed the characters are with other media and commodities than burning books, which is why I see "tv bad" as the driving theme of the novel. It definitely smells like the jumping off point for pretty much everything else in the novel too. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-30-2023, 03:31 PM	#136 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	Won't someone please think of the poor TVs! __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

08-16-2023, 10:10 PM	#139 (permalink)
Musicwhore A-Z Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 140	Yes.