Andrew Tate - Trigger Warning - DV and SA

The Batlord · 08-24-2022, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

OK sorry I'm not sure how to interpret this other than that you are saying "don't worry, this is only the beginning, we will hopefully silence many more people in the future and hopefully Joel Olsteen makes the list!"

You can call it lib **** or edgy teenage **** all you want, that's just not the world I want to live in. If pursuing your worldview means you have to baby people and paternalistically monitor what ideas they engage with then I simply don't care to pursue it.

Like there are so many countless religions and conspiracy theories that I believe are unhinged from reality and even potentially harmful but I do like the idea of pluralism not because I have faith the best ideas always win out but because it seems like people should be allowed to decide for themselves what to believe.

Alright you need get Alex Jones screaming about FEMA camps out of your head. I don't know what got Tate banned but I'm guessing it was TOS violations. I don't remember what got Jones banned but from defaming the parents of dead children and edging his listeners towards white supremacist violence I'm sure there was ample reason to ban him too (and from the state of his finances coming out in court he may have been doing some fraud as well).

I don't know all that much about Joel Osteen but if he has anything in common with other televangelist grifters then there's probably some kind of financial fraud going on that gets swept under the rug for political reasons. Take away his church's tax exempt status or throw him in jail if there's enough to nail him. If not then I suppose we just have to do some good old fashioned leftism and burn do- I mean improve people's lives so maybe the misery of existing doesn't turn them to grifters for solace.

Amway have already gone to court over being an MLM but got off presumably because they give millions to the Republican Party and have direct connections to several Congress members.

You don't need to black bag any of these people. They crime basically out in the open. Unless you just want people to crime with impunity?

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This goes back to individual vs systematic thinking. I'm not denying the use in advocating for xyz policy to address issues on a societal basis, but that is a long game. That's not the kind of thing you can really offer as any sort of solace or advice to an individual who is struggling here and now. To them, they have limited ways to meaningfully address their situation, and voting and waiting for political change is about at the bottom of the list in terms of immediate efficacy.

So no, you're just wrong. Bootstraps ideology is flawed when speaking about creating a systemic policy but when it comes to trying to improve your life at all you are only in control of what choices you make and those choices will honestly have more of a tangible effect than any potential means of political advocacy.

Ah so activism and organizing are too difficult and long term. You want the instant gratification of hard work and self improvement. Well, you know there are shelves upon shelves of self-help books going back decades that don't involve right wing propaganda and rampant misogyny. Well there are some at least.

The Batlord · 08-24-2022, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SGR

I'm good with coconut milk in my pina coladas, but basically nothing except for that.

It's not the flavor that puts me off, it's that disgusting coconut shaving texture.

music_collector · 08-24-2022, 06:50 PM

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And cream cheese frosting is basically the bottom tier of frostings

100% agree

Cream cheese blows! It's the worst. The worst, Jerry.

The Batlord · 08-24-2022, 07:37 PM

**** outta here. Cream cheese frosting is like crack.

music_collector · 08-24-2022, 08:29 PM

Coconut is vastly better than cream cheese. I'm disappointed if I go to the Carribean and can't get fresh coconut. It's everywhere. How hard it is it to put a few, all chopped up, at the buffet table?

Coconut cream pie is better than carrot cake, every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

I'm weird about textures too. It's one reason I think cream cheese is awful.

TheBig3 · 08-24-2022, 08:33 PM

Musicbanter: Our collective cholesterol will kill a horse

~~jwb~~ · 08-24-2022, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Alright you need get Alex Jones screaming about FEMA camps out of your head. I don't know what got Tate banned but I'm guessing it was TOS violations. I don't remember what got Jones banned but from defaming the parents of dead children and edging his listeners towards white supremacist violence I'm sure there was ample reason to ban him too (and from the state of his finances coming out in court he may have been doing some fraud as well).

I don't know all that much about Joel Osteen but if he has anything in common with other televangelist grifters then there's probably some kind of financial fraud going on that gets swept under the rug for political reasons. Take away his church's tax exempt status or throw him in jail if there's enough to nail him. If not then I suppose we just have to do some good old fashioned leftism and burn do- I mean improve people's lives so maybe the misery of existing doesn't turn them to grifters for solace.

Amway have already gone to court over being an MLM but got off presumably because they give millions to the Republican Party and have direct connections to several Congress members.

You don't need to black bag any of these people. They crime basically out in the open. Unless you just want people to crime with impunity?

Well maybe you can explain what you meant by its only the beginning and they all deserve attention. In response to me saying you're just playing whack a mole. I think the commitment there is pretty clear my friend.

The bottom line is you think silencing whoever you deem to be harmful is somehow protecting the public from their harmful influence but not only do I think this is largely a convenient excuse to censor political adversaries and pariahs, I also just don't care to censor them even if they are somewhat harmful.

But if you are just going to say Alex Jones and Tate are just exceptional criminals who deserve special attention instead of "just the beginning" of what I could only assume would be a lengthy purge, then fine. But I don't believe you. I think you're trying to make them sound exceptional to help your argument, but that's not really where you draw the line. You would cheer the same fate for anyone who you thought was politically harmful in any way. Which includes virtually anyone on the right and maybe even some libs. Am I wrong in making this assumption about you?

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Ah so activism and organizing are too difficult and long term. You want the instant gratification of hard work and self improvement. Well, you know there are shelves upon shelves of self-help books going back decades that don't involve right wing propaganda and rampant misogyny. Well there are some at least.

that's not quite what I said

Political action is long term in the sense of that's the way you organize to try to change society as a whole... which is just naturally much more difficult than doing anything about your own life.

Those measures that you can usually take to improve your life are often not at all that short term either. Just more so than a political movement is.

~~jwb~~ · 08-24-2022, 10:49 PM

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We should avoid coddling the public who can't think beyond media representations (because they're babies ofc) by paying for and mandating distribution of those who are drawn to the media because of its profitability. Then everyone can pick their beliefs in the same way you might pick barbecue lays over cheetos because life is better when everything is commoditized. At least we wouldn't be babies.

I mean communists aren't exactly having a hard time getting in on the action so what's the problem? It's become a very successful online commodity along side the other flavors of lays.

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The left promotes self care, just usually not as a vessel for their ideology. If your barometer is flawed advice then you're just asking for more of it.

what do you mean?

Trollheart · 08-25-2022, 06:21 AM

I think I'm compelled to point out that crime is not a verb. You don't crime, you commit or carry out crime. A fellow Grammar Nazi like you should know that, Batty.

And don't show me a link to the ****ing Urban dictionary: I'm talking about real English here. Show it to me in the OED as a verb and I'll back down. Can't, can you?

music_collector · 08-25-2022, 10:18 PM

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you might pick barbecue lays over cheetos

Umm, salt & vinegar ftw.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	I think I'm compelled to point out that crime is not a verb. You don't crime, you commit or carry out crime. A fellow Grammar Nazi like you should know that, Batty. And don't show me a link to the ***ing Urban dictionary: I'm talking about real English here. Show it to me in the OED as a verb and I'll back down. Can't, can you? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

08-24-2022, 08:29 PM	#75 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	Coconut is vastly better than cream cheese. I'm disappointed if I go to the Carribean and can't get fresh coconut. It's everywhere. How hard it is it to put a few, all chopped up, at the buffet table? Coconut cream pie is better than carrot cake, every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. I'm weird about textures too. It's one reason I think cream cheese is awful.