Andrew Tate - Trigger Warning - DV and SA

music_collector · 08-22-2022, 10:11 PM

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I would like to know whether men on MB feel disenfranchised

I don't think I'm disenfranchised. Some work policies are irritating, especially with regards to promotion. I'm hearing through the grapevine that managers will soon be told to hire women and minorities first. If they're more qualified than me, I have no problem with that.

If I'm in need of help or advice, I seek out friends and family. I know enough people who will kick me in the ass when needed.

TheBig3 · 08-22-2022, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlett O'Hara

I would like to know whether men on MB feel disenfranchised and feel they need help from a creator to build their confidence, self esteem and the inflow of ideas from said creator?

No, but I'm almost 40. And I think I probably did at some point. I got lucky though, I had a lot of good role models and mentors in life. Right place, right time I guess. My parents weren't well-connected or invested in my advancement.

As a younger person I felt like everyone knew the rules and how things worked, and I just wasn't let in on the secret. Mentors, people to talk to, having a group of friends and hobbies helps a great deal. I don't know if the library is going to reach the people we're talking about here. These folks generally aren't readers and they're pretty angry. They need direction more than anything.

Years ago I read about an Elephant Refuge in Northwestern Africa that had saved mother elephants and their children from poachers/zoos/etc. But when the young males hit puberty, they were a problem. Harassing females, destroying signs at the sanctuary. In the end, the people running the place introduced a pack of mature male elephants and it established order and stability overall. When you're a 16-24 year old male, you kind just want to **** and burn things. You need someone around to you trust to say "you're going to give yourself a lot of problems if you do that."

music_collector · 08-22-2022, 10:52 PM

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you're going to give yourself a lot of problems if you do that

That's a good point. I knew a lot of people like that. You're right, those people now probably need more direction than a lecture. I'm no expert. I know that if I were in their position when I was young, I'd prefer direction.

Mindy · 08-23-2022, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlett O'Hara

I would like to know whether men on MB feel disenfranchised and feel they need help from a creator to build their confidence, self esteem and the inflow of ideas from said creator? Or do you look up self help books or information? You're under no obligation to answer this, perhaps you could private message me and we can chat together about it. I'm 35 years old, so have some experience going through exactly what I asked above.

This is interesting for me because I am a librarian and we can reach out to young people using this for context so I can help youth 11+ to learn more about themselves, maybe help them create a budget and careers advisory. It will be helpful for me to set up events/workshops to help boys and men.

I do my best with the little black book for daily motivation and inspiration;
https://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/th...ur-hours-a-day

Gary Vee gives out great content to share with others since he's so positive. I don't feel disenfranchised but Gary Vee is probably the person who inspires me the most. He doesn't sell courses like this Andrew Tate dude, but Gary is an author and just an entrepreneur I look up to.
https://twitter.com/garyvee

rubber soul · 08-23-2022, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlett O'Hara

I would like to know whether men on MB feel disenfranchised and feel they need help from a creator to build their confidence, self esteem and the inflow of ideas from said creator? Or do you look up self help books or information? You're under no obligation to answer this, perhaps you could private message me and we can chat together about it. I'm 35 years old, so have some experience going through exactly what I asked above.

This is interesting for me because I am a librarian and we can reach out to young people using this for context so I can help youth 11+ to learn more about themselves, maybe help them create a budget and careers advisory. It will be helpful for me to set up events/workshops to help boys and men.

I don't feel disenfranchised personally

But there are men that I know that probably grew up expecting to be the Lord and leader of his family, especially since they knew they likely wouldn't be in the workplace. My cousin was something of a sexual animal in his day; it never seemed to dawn on him that sleeping with women he didn't even know was somehow wrong (he was engaged to be married at the time). Anyway, I grew up in the seventies and the expectation was that things would still be like Leave It To Beaver even as the changes like Women's lib were all around us.

So, men, older men especially, may feel emasculated simply because of the expectation that it was supposed to be their way or the highway, at least on the homefront.

TheBig3 · 08-23-2022, 08:45 AM

https://youtu.be/6LwdbVHBTFc

No idea why this is blocked, but I'm watching it in the U.S.

It's How The Andrew Tate Scam Actually Works by How Money Works

music_collector · 08-23-2022, 01:01 PM

It's amazing how many scams there are online. You can take almost anything, put in the word scam at the end, and find a ton of hits on google.

Trollheart · 08-23-2022, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

https://youtu.be/6LwdbVHBTFc

No idea why this is blocked, but I'm watching it in the U.S.

It's How The Andrew Tate Scam Actually Works by How Money Works

Don't think it's blocked, just age restricted. That's what I'm seeing anyway.

~~jwb~~ · 08-24-2022, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Of course it's whack-a-mole but if the moles are convincing people to shoot up pizza restaurants and gay bars then it's insane not to whack them. Should something more be done? Does Tucker Carlson make banning Alex Jones from social media ineffective? Is there an entire media ecosystem that is too big and entrenched to be cancellable?

Yes. Obviously.

That doesn't make it pointless to step on a cockroach when you see it. That just means it's pointless if it isn't just a start.

And just like Joel Osteen and Amway are bigger, more influential, and more insidious than Andrew Tate that doesn't mean you should let them all run rampant, that means they all deserve attention. The libs who are only now starting to notice the scope of the problem just need to catch up and stop living in the 90s.

OK sorry I'm not sure how to interpret this other than that you are saying "don't worry, this is only the beginning, we will hopefully silence many more people in the future and hopefully Joel Olsteen makes the list!"

You can call it lib **** or edgy teenage **** all you want, that's just not the world I want to live in. If pursuing your worldview means you have to baby people and paternalistically monitor what ideas they engage with then I simply don't care to pursue it.

Like there are so many countless religions and conspiracy theories that I believe are unhinged from reality and even potentially harmful but I do like the idea of pluralism not because I have faith the best ideas always win out but because it seems like people should be allowed to decide for themselves what to believe.

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Jordan Peterson telling you to pull your pants up is a hopeless message. The problems of men in the modern age are bigger than individual responsibility can handle and that **** is a bandaid.

Why are so many men so socially isolated? Well part of the reason might be car culture turning cities into places that aren't safe for children to roam and where there's no place to roam in the first place so they just stay inside and play video games. The left might suggest urban planning to create walkable cities.

Why are so many men feeling emasculated? Well part of the reason might be the alienating nature of the modern workplace where you're a faceless cog in a machine fantasizing about earlier, manlier work where you feel more fulfilled and in control of your labor. The left might suggest labor organizing both to gain power in the workplace and the sense of fulfillment from connection with your fellow workers in a cooperative project.

Why are so many men feeling their traditional place in the world being threatened by changing gender dynamics? Well part of the reason might be that they viewed their place on top as a privilege that is being taken away. The left might suggest that this privilege was always harmful to all parties and that it would be liberating for men to shed the burden a rigid stereotype of what men are supposed to be.

And on and on and on cause men's issues are as complex and deeply entrenched as any other problem faced by society, and deciding that not sitting up straight and not working hard enough are the real problem is a coping mechanism to bring everything that can be so hard to conceptualize down to a simpler conceptual level that is easier to wrap your head around. Listening to Jordan Peterson might actually help you personally, but it isn't going to do anything to change the conditions that put men in the position they are in. The left isn't perfect by any means but they are actually trying to grapple with those conditions that Peterson and Tate ignore.

This goes back to individual vs systematic thinking. I'm not denying the use in advocating for xyz policy to address issues on a societal basis, but that is a long game. That's not the kind of thing you can really offer as any sort of solace or advice to an individual who is struggling here and now. To them, they have limited ways to meaningfully address their situation, and voting and waiting for political change is about at the bottom of the list in terms of immediate efficacy.

So no, you're just wrong. Bootstraps ideology is flawed when speaking about creating a systemic policy but when it comes to trying to improve your life at all you are only in control of what choices you make and those choices will honestly have more of a tangible effect than any potential means of political advocacy.

SGR · 08-24-2022, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

they call it bootstrapping because it can't be done

people's lives improve when someone reaches out tangibly and helps them, this doesn't have to be the government, but a self-help book won't do it

yeah the left isn't as willing to lie to young men I guess

Young men can't improve their own lives based on new information?

08-23-2022, 08:45 AM	#56 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	https://youtu.be/6LwdbVHBTFc No idea why this is blocked, but I'm watching it in the U.S. It's How The Andrew Tate Scam Actually Works by How Money Works __________________ I've moved to a new address

08-23-2022, 01:01 PM	#57 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	It's amazing how many scams there are online. You can take almost anything, put in the word scam at the end, and find a ton of hits on google.