Andrew Tate - Trigger Warning - DV and SA

WWWP · 08-21-2022, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

This reminds me of the time you got offended by people telling you that being a fan of Kobe Bryant for dribbling good wasn't a good reason to ignore rape charges.

He was acquitted

And no, I was never offended, OH was offended that I defended mourning celebrities in general. If you’re gonna call me out at least get your facts straight.

WWWP · 08-21-2022, 11:23 PM

Also lol @ young men looking up to dorky jorpy and his weepings

~~jwb~~ · 08-21-2022, 11:30 PM

When I got into him the whole bootstraps message was the first time I ever entertained the idea of self help **** and it's not even that he had specific advice that was useful but that general mentality of trying to take control is what felt more useful.

SGR · 08-21-2022, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Can I be honest? I also think inherently men are going to look up to the idea of having a Haram of 20 bitches and a Bugatti. It's like the pinnacle of success in the society we live in. Or rather having the ability to if you wanted to.

Sure, but this is like a teenage boy's or a frat boy's perception of what masculinity is and should be - or what success as a man looks like.

It should be focused more on confidence, ambition, self-care, honor, integrity, and discipline. Less of a focus on materialism/sex and more of a focus on character and developing your potential and talent to its fullest.

I know a fair amount of dudes - friends of mine - who haven't even sorted out their **** yet. Still living with their parents, chose ****ty college majors (this is perhaps substance for a different discussion), have to pay back a lot of money etc. Before you worry about the fancy car and women, you gotta handle your business. In my experience, women aren't typically into dudes that they have to mother.

~~jwb~~ · 08-21-2022, 11:46 PM

That's why I said the last line. The ability is the key, not the specific goal. You can ridicule the aesthetic itself as superficial or childish but ultimately it's just a clear and grotesque display of being at the top of the sort of "dominance heirarchy" Peterson preaches about. The entire point is distinguishing yourself from the vast hoards of other men through one or another type of high status.

I think in part the obsession with things like women and materialism is because it's an obsession with tangible results. Said results provide a clear-cut motivation and also a way to track whether you are actually making any progress.

The Batlord · 08-22-2022, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

banning Alex Jones was also a bad move. I'm fine with financially punishing him for the Sandy Hook **** as retribution to the families but why should I be deprived of watching his content on YouTube? It's all this patronizing attitude that the fragile public must be protected from themselves and that we can't be trusted to decide for ourselves whether or not to follow some Nazi or some PUA type like Tate. I think it should all be allowed for contents sake.

Now as for Tate being a scam artist, he was probably not even banned for that but just for being a viral misogynist. I don't think it was made clear why. He was classified as a dangerous person or something nebulous like that. And I think if his MLM scheme is legal then you can't do **** about that and if people fall for it they deserve the poverty that awaits them.

You're a perfect example of the public being highly susceptible to this **** cause you're an edgy 14-year-old moron. If you think any of these manosphere dickheads have anything valuable to say to men then you should go sit in a corner and let the rest of us talk.

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Originally Posted by WWWP

He was acquitted

And no, I was never offended, OH was offended that I defended mourning celebrities in general. If you’re gonna call me out at least get your facts straight.

Yeah see you're a hypocrite. You'll call yourself a feminist but when it's someone you fangirl over then all of a sudden rape being hard to prove in court ceases to matter.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2022, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You're a perfect example of the public being highly susceptible to this **** cause you're an edgy 14-year-old moron. If you think any of these manosphere dickheads have anything valuable to say to men then you should go sit in a corner and let the rest of us talk.

you literally bring nothing to the table other than a half witted attempt to try to brow beat me into submission and then you tell me I'm the one with nothing to say who should be quiet, lol. You are toxic masculinity without the masculinity.

The Batlord · 08-22-2022, 02:22 AM

Because after all this time you're still stumping for obvious grifters and sociopaths just to own the libs out of spite. What debate are we even having? You know these people serve no function and have no value, you just don't care.

WWWP · 08-22-2022, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah see you're a hypocrite. You'll call yourself a feminist but when it's someone you fangirl over then all of a sudden rape being hard to prove in court ceases to matter.

Save the stretches for your asshole Charles

TheBig3 · 08-22-2022, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

When I got into him the whole bootstraps message was the first time I ever entertained the idea of self help **** and it's not even that he had specific advice that was useful but that general mentality of trying to take control is what felt more useful.

Do you read the stoics at all?

08-21-2022, 11:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	When I got into him the whole bootstraps message was the first time I ever entertained the idea of self help **** and it's not even that he had specific advice that was useful but that general mentality of trying to take control is what felt more useful.

08-21-2022, 11:46 PM	#25 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's why I said the last line. The ability is the key, not the specific goal. You can ridicule the aesthetic itself as superficial or childish but ultimately it's just a clear and grotesque display of being at the top of the sort of "dominance heirarchy" Peterson preaches about. The entire point is distinguishing yourself from the vast hoards of other men through one or another type of high status. I think in part the obsession with things like women and materialism is because it's an obsession with tangible results. Said results provide a clear-cut motivation and also a way to track whether you are actually making any progress.