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When I got into him the whole bootstraps message was the first time I ever entertained the idea of self help **** and it's not even that he had specific advice that was useful but that general mentality of trying to take control is what felt more useful.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2214940)

Can I be honest? I also think inherently men are going to look up to the idea of having a Haram of 20 bitches and a Bugatti. It's like the pinnacle of success in the society we live in. Or rather having the ability to if you wanted to.

Sure, but this is like a teenage boy's or a frat boy's perception of what masculinity is and should be - or what success as a man looks like.

It should be focused more on confidence, ambition, self-care, honor, integrity, and discipline. Less of a focus on materialism/sex and more of a focus on character and developing your potential and talent to its fullest.

I know a fair amount of dudes - friends of mine - who haven't even sorted out their **** yet. Still living with their parents, chose ****ty college majors (this is perhaps substance for a different discussion), have to pay back a lot of money etc. Before you worry about the fancy car and women, you gotta handle your business. In my experience, women aren't typically into dudes that they have to mother.

That's why I said the last line. The ability is the key, not the specific goal. You can ridicule the aesthetic itself as superficial or childish but ultimately it's just a clear and grotesque display of being at the top of the sort of "dominance heirarchy" Peterson preaches about. The entire point is distinguishing yourself from the vast hoards of other men through one or another type of high status.

I think in part the obsession with things like women and materialism is because it's an obsession with tangible results. Said results provide a clear-cut motivation and also a way to track whether you are actually making any progress.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2214936)

banning Alex Jones was also a bad move. I'm fine with financially punishing him for the Sandy Hook **** as retribution to the families but why should I be deprived of watching his content on YouTube? It's all this patronizing attitude that the fragile public must be protected from themselves and that we can't be trusted to decide for ourselves whether or not to follow some Nazi or some PUA type like Tate. I think it should all be allowed for contents sake.

Now as for Tate being a scam artist, he was probably not even banned for that but just for being a viral misogynist. I don't think it was made clear why. He was classified as a dangerous person or something nebulous like that. And I think if his MLM scheme is legal then you can't do **** about that and if people fall for it they deserve the poverty that awaits them.

You're a perfect example of the public being highly susceptible to this **** cause you're an edgy 14-year-old moron. If you think any of these manosphere dickheads have anything valuable to say to men then you should go sit in a corner and let the rest of us talk.

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2214941)

He was acquitted

And no, I was never offended, OH was offended that I defended mourning celebrities in general. If you’re gonna call me out at least get your facts straight.

Yeah see you're a hypocrite. You'll call yourself a feminist but when it's someone you fangirl over then all of a sudden rape being hard to prove in court ceases to matter.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2214949)

you literally bring nothing to the table other than a half witted attempt to try to brow beat me into submission and then you tell me I'm the one with nothing to say who should be quiet, lol. You are toxic masculinity without the masculinity.

Because after all this time you're still stumping for obvious grifters and sociopaths just to own the libs out of spite. What debate are we even having? You know these people serve no function and have no value, you just don't care.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2214949)

Yeah see you're a hypocrite. You'll call yourself a feminist but when it's someone you fangirl over then all of a sudden rape being hard to prove in court ceases to matter.

Save the stretches for your asshole Charles

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2214943)

Do you read the stoics at all?

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2214966)

Do you read the stoics at all?

Marcus Aurelius's Meditations should be required reading in school. Young men would get more pragmatic advice from that than they ever would watching Andrew Tate.

Concentrate every minute like a Roman— like a man— on doing what’s in front of you with precise and genuine seriousness, tenderly, willingly, with justice. And on freeing yourself from all other distractions. Yes, you can— if you do everything as if it were the last thing you were doing in your life, and stop being aimless, stop letting your emotions override what your mind tells you, stop being hypocritical, self-centered , irritable. You see how few things you have to do to live a satisfying and reverent life? If you can manage this, that’s all even the gods can ask of you.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2214951)

it's not just out of spite. I would rather have the content out there and decide for myself how to engage with it. Im not a saying you can't run into figures that are going to be problematic but I prefer that over the mob and platform just deciding for us which ideas or arguments are ok to explore which ends up being rather arbitrary. Joel Osteen is probably just as big if not a bigger grifter than Tate and he will never be cancelled for bilking his congregation out of their hard earned money based on a literal lie that they will be going to heaven to be with Jesus and their families. If Tate is a scam artist that feels completely incidental to the fact that he got banned.