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ribbons 07-19-2022 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ribbons (Post 2211192)
Jesus’s message was warped by the disciples and early Church because they rejected Mary Magdalene and the sacred feminine.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2211203)
Jesus invented warp speed??? :yikes:

Yes, when he (very quickly) ascended to Heaven. :p: Probably to escape Mary Mags, who was fawning over him a bit too much.

ribbons 07-19-2022 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 2211208)
I heard he had an abscess in his stomach and every time he farted it sounded like someone saying "Honda", thus the phrase: "Abscess makes the fart go Honda".


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I'll see myself out.

:laughing::laughing:

Objection! Compound joke! ;)

Trollheart 07-19-2022 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ribbons (Post 2211205)
:laughing:

Jesus drove a Honda, but he didn't talk about it, "For I did not speak of my own Accord." - John 12:49

You're getting better! :clap:
John wrote that just before knocking off for lunch?
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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 2211208)
I heard he had an abscess in his stomach and every time he farted it sounded like someone saying "Honda", thus the phrase: "Abscess makes the fart go Honda".


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I'll see myself out.

But there's still only one master.

And Plankton.
:shycouch:
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Originally Posted by ribbons (Post 2211209)
Yes, when he (very quickly) ascended to Heaven. :p: Probably to escape Mary Mags, who was fawning over him a bit too much.

Let he who is without sin fit the first dilithium crystal...

music_collector 07-19-2022 08:30 PM

*claps*

Well done folks, well done. I don't think I've ever seen Star Trek referenced in a religious joke.

gandhara 07-19-2022 08:46 PM

:laughing:
It's all good, I knew you mixed those up it was just really funny so I went with it! :D:p:

[QUOTE=Lisnaholic;2211091]:laughing: OOPS! Getting old means making dumb mistakes more often than you would like! I must have confused your join date with your posting date. Sorry about any confusion I've caused in your thread, gandhara. :(

gandhara 07-19-2022 08:51 PM

Pretty long phase if I'm 39 and have pretty much the same beliefs since I was 15.. :rolleyes:

In other words, I'm dead serious lol

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2211131)
Same here. As a kid, I was borrowing books about the greek myths, gods and heroes, and of course as a Norwegian you're easily exposed to stories about the norse gods, Odin, Thor and Loki in particular.

However, just because you read a story about Orpheus bargaining with Hades for the life of Eurydike doesn't mean you have to believe it actually happened or that Hades is real.



There is actually a big difference. A big predictor for what religion you belong to is simply your location. If you are from Saudi Arabia, chances are you're a Muslim. If you're from the US, particularly some areas more than others, chances are you're a Christian. Obviously culture / environment and indoctrination plays a huge role. You can blame other people.

In this case, you may not have other people to force these falsehoods on you. Instead, have to fool yourself. This is especially true if you get into the sometimes witchcraft beliefs of paganism which require dedicated efforts of self-delusion.

When I read your post, I don't get the feeling you actually believe. I get the impression you kinda think its cool and you have a pagan phase. But why would you wanna live with all that cognitive dissonance?

If you've broken off from a major religion, good on you. Instead of then stumbling into a minor one, why not getting into skepticism and critical thinking? It's infinitely more powerful and will help you out more than religious beliefs will.


ribbons 07-19-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2211228)
You're getting better! :clap:

No, Reddit is. :o: :laughing:

Trollheart 07-19-2022 08:59 PM

NEVER give away your sources! Page one, ribbons! Page one! :laughing:

ribbons 07-19-2022 09:04 PM

:laughing:

I must not lie and make Him cry.

https://pics.me.me/02-lies-make-baby...y-40448141.png

gandhara 07-19-2022 09:06 PM

I don't think most Pagans believe literally in the mythologies of their favored paths or cultures..They're treated as legends and stories about their gods. "Traditional" Polytheists definitely believe the gods themselves are real beings, just not the stories, at least not literally....though there may be some parts that we take more literally, it varies from Pagan to Pagan. Other Pagans actually don't believe they are real beings but more like archetypes. Wiccans for instance generally believe in Two High Deities (apart from all the various lesser spirits), a God and a Goddess, and will lump all gods and goddesses as incarnations of their highest two.



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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2211155)
I get totally what you're talking about Guybrush. I always loved mythology - my favourite being Norse - but I never once considered the gods to be real. Same with Christianity: I love a lot of the stories from the Bible and so on, and historically it's been more or less proven that a man called Jesus did live in Nazareth at that time, but as for being the Son of God? Well, if he could perform all those miracles, why didn't he go into show business, answer me that!

So for me, I can appreciate the mythology, the stories and the figures in any "religion", but that's all they are. I can see how others might take them as literal, and if they do that's their prerogative, but not me.


The Batlord 07-19-2022 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2211228)
You're getting better! :clap:
John wrote that just before knocking off for lunch?

Bro she beat the pants off all of us. That's a once in a lifetime pun. Just bow down and accept it.

ribbons 07-19-2022 09:23 PM

I worship thee, my BatLORD. :love:

ribbons 07-19-2022 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by music_collector (Post 2211234)
Well done folks, well done. I don't think I've ever seen Star Trek referenced in a religious joke.

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/11/56...-you-image.jpg

gandhara 07-19-2022 09:42 PM

Sort of...You can certainly choose which path and deities you want to follow for several reasons, You'll mostly hear from other Pagans that it's because that's who they feel most drawn to, closest to, and have had like personal experiences with. In other cases, the person may have been born into the faith. There are still places in the world where a living cultural Pagan religion still survives and where no revival is needed..Most though have been destroyed by the Monotheistic faiths.. but for those interested in reviving certain faiths there's a lot to work with. There are even really obscure faiths people are trying to revive, like the pre-Islamic Arabic traditions..where there is no even much written evidence to go by.

As for me I'm mostly interested in ancient Assyria.. I don't worship ALL of the gods though lol, mostly just the highest ones...Ashur and Mullissu the most since they're the two highest deities of the old Assyrian Empire. I occasionally honor the others. Each deity has a specific day they can be honored.. And I just wait for the specific days for Ashur and Mullissu, instead of every day (every day would be for actual priests to perform, not the average person, unless they wanted to of course). There were household protective spirits one can honor at any time as well. I usually take like a minute of my time to say a little prayer or praise for them at least once a day. I don't normally ask for much...just general stuff like protection, health, safety, prosperity....and I don't offer much either...incense, some fruit, etc.... If I had a bigger income I likely would devote more time and energy, but I'm content where I'm at so I leave it at that.

Anyway, just thought I'd share a little about my own little faith. I wasn't planning on saying as much as I did tonight lol


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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2211086)
what God(s) is it you believe in specifically and why?

A lot of the new age and pagan and mystic type **** might not be as judgmental as the abrahamic faiths but it just feels a lot like a choose your own adventure type approach to religion lol. Just pick your favorite God the same way you would pick your favorite super hero and go with that.


jwb 07-19-2022 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2211177)
there was probably more than one Jesus, as in, there were a bunch of people claiming to be prophets...and a lot of executions

the Jesus story is a pretty amazing story of David Vs. Goliath that's just as capable of being a force for good as evil

dunno if you believe he's actually God it sorta detracts from the underdog aesthetic imo

But yeah I believe Jesus was a historical figure who actually got crucified and that's why he's presented as such... The idea of a messiah being crucified goes completely against what the Jews believed in so to me it makes more sense that the crucifixion part is genuine. I don't at all agree that Jesus is just an archetype and not a historical figure.

Pet_Sounds 07-19-2022 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ribbons (Post 2211249)
I worship thee, my BatLORD. :love:

I said it once, and I'll say it again..

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1824132)
Therefore never send to know for whom the Batlord trolls; he trolls for thee.


Trollheart 07-20-2022 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2211246)
Bro she beat the pants off all of us. That's a once in a lifetime pun. Just bow down and accept it.

One hundred percent. "I thought I was King of the Puns round here, but I just handed my punning crown to her, to her, to herrrr!" :)
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2211253)
dunno if you believe he's actually God it sorta detracts from the underdog aesthetic imo

But yeah I believe Jesus was a historical figure who actually got crucified and that's why he's presented as such... The idea of a messiah being crucified goes completely against what the Jews believed in so to me it makes more sense that the crucifixion part is genuine. I don't at all agree that Jesus is just an archetype and not a historical figure.

Not so sure about him being crucified (though this probably happened on a daily basis) but I think he may have existed all right. Probably sold insurance though. "What would you do if your loved one was crucified? Who would look after your little ones? Get a policy now with MESSIAH INSURANCE and take the worry out of living in Roman-occupied Judea!"
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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 2211268)
I said it once, and I'll say it again..

:thumb:

rubber soul 07-20-2022 05:26 AM

Supposedly, it has been proven that Jesus was something of a rebel leader during his day which is what got him crucified. Crucifixions in the Roman Empire were of a daily basis at the time and Jesus was but one of many who suffered that fate. As far as the stories such as walking on water or being the world's greatest faith healer, well, I guess that falls in the mythology category.

Trollheart 07-20-2022 08:54 AM

Hit the nail on the head. Sorry. We all got our cross to bear I guess. Well, if he was Roman all over the country slagging off Caesar, whatcha expect?

Frownland 07-20-2022 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 2211284)
Supposedly, it has been proven that Jesus was something of a rebel leader during his day which is what got him crucified. Crucifixions in the Roman Empire were of a daily basis at the time and Jesus was but one of many who suffered that fate. As far as the stories such as walking on water or being the world's greatest faith healer, well, I guess that falls in the mythology category.

The only evidence of Jesus is in the New Testament unless you're talking about forgeries like the shroud of Turin.

jwb 07-20-2022 10:59 AM

Bart Ehrman makes the point that the only better attested person who lived in 1st century Palestine was Josephus, who is only better attested because he left his own writing.

Frownland 07-20-2022 11:16 AM

What about Tiberius?

The Batlord 07-20-2022 11:29 AM

Is that a deed nuts joke?

jwb 07-20-2022 11:39 AM

If it's a joke I don't get it.

I don't think Tiberius lived in 1st century Palestine from what I gather.

music_collector 07-20-2022 12:15 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjaqrPpdQYc

Frownland 07-20-2022 12:38 PM

Nah I'm just dumb he lived in Italy.

jwb 07-20-2022 05:25 PM

I don't agree really. Not the biblical version of events. Jesus had little to no antagonism towards or problems with Roman authorities prior to the crucifixion. According to the new testament the people he pissed off were Jewish religious authorities specifically. And the areas where he is somewhat subversive it's more aimed at religious tradition than anything else.

Trollheart 07-20-2022 06:43 PM

Yeah it's really a case of God, through his sprog, saying to the Jews "You guys think you have it all figured out but this is how it is." And the Jews going "Oh yeah? Well, what if we just crucify your son, huh?" And then God "You'd better not, or all my followers will hate you throughout eternity." Jews shrug. "Meh. What's the worst thing that could happen?"

Ayn Marx 07-21-2022 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2211465)
Yeah it's really a case of God, through his sprog, saying to the Jews "You guys think you have it all figured out but this is how it is." And the Jews going "Oh yeah? Well, what if we just crucify your son, huh?" And then God "You'd better not, or all my followers will hate you throughout eternity." Jews shrug. "Meh. What's the worst thing that could happen?"

https://historyofyesterday.com/a-con...n-e21b7f624222


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