Russia, Ukraine and World War III

**Frownland** · 02-24-2022, 03:09 PM

Can't believe China is copping my take like that

Pentagon makes 35th declaration that China will invade Ukraine any second now

Raime · 02-24-2022, 03:27 PM

I'm not too optimistic that Ukraine will be able to hold out, maybe a few months if that. Major military targets across the country have already been destroyed, radar stations, airports, ect. If the Ukrainian forces aren't crippled yet, they soon will be. I'm pretty damn concerned for any country that isn't Belarus or China bordering Russia now. I'm really hoping this won't get any worse.

As an American, my government has ****ed **** up in different parts of the world, and I've grown to distrust it. I even severely doubted warnings that Russia would invade because of the "intelligence" our government was said to possess (Iraq anyone?). So, in a way, I blame the past actions of our government for basically gaslighting the whole ****ing world for years.

Norg · 02-24-2022, 03:51 PM

Let teh games begin !!!!!!

SGR · 02-24-2022, 04:49 PM

It's an interesting question that must be confronted as to when some bully who utilizes MAD to threaten you can be stopped.

At what point does America and/or NATO progress past sanctions and strongly worded letters?

At some point, NATO will need to step in and show them that we have our own bombs and hope that they value their lives as much as we value ours - and then give them a good punch in the nose.

Who's got the guts?

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Originally Posted by Raime

As an American, my government has ****ed **** up in different parts of the world, and I've grown to distrust it. I even severely doubted warnings that Russia would invade because of the "intelligence" our government was said to possess (Iraq anyone?). So, in a way, I blame the past actions of our government for basically gaslighting the whole ****ing world for years.

Once bitten (actually, several times bitten), twice shy.

FETCHER. · 02-24-2022, 04:51 PM

Nobody if Putin is just going to nuke them.

The Batlord · 02-24-2022, 05:30 PM

Stupid ****ing Ruskies.

Chernobyl no-go zone targeted as Russia invades Ukraine

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An official familiar with current assessments said Russian shelling hit a radioactive waste repository at Chernobyl, and an increase in radiation levels was reported. The increase could not be immediately corroborated.

FETCHER. · 02-24-2022, 05:33 PM

^ I don’t think your link is working

SGR · 02-24-2022, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Putin has done a good enough job of making the world unsure as to whether he would be crazy enough to use nuclear weapons that he can take Ukraine with only sanctions

Still, where's the line drawn? Would NATO wait until one of its own member countries (Poland, Romania) is directly threatened before they nut up? Or are they going to engage in a modern day "Munich Agreement"?

Personally, I don't think Putin would be willing to risk his entire country's well-being for his military ventures. But I also don't think NATO or America have the gumption to threaten him with it. And I think Putin knows that.

Also, this whole ordeal is a prime example of why North Korea doesn't want to give up their nuclear weapons, and I can't say that I blame them.

Norg · 02-24-2022, 07:01 PM

i think having nuclear weapons actually prevents total war were neither side can push to far

so there might be a time were Russia test NATOs resolve the will attack the bloc states Romania and Poland etc etc and the west will try and defend them with conventional means

but russia will go no further west then germany

acctually its prob in USA turkey and France and UK to all leave nato its really not in there best interest to be in this alliance anymore

The Batlord · 02-24-2022, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FETCHER.

^ I don’t think your link is working

Oops. Link fixed and here you go.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-c...f8f250a73a1bb5

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Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,360	Let teh games begin !!!!!!

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Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,360	i think having nuclear weapons actually prevents total war were neither side can push to far so there might be a time were Russia test NATOs resolve the will attack the bloc states Romania and Poland etc etc and the west will try and defend them with conventional means but russia will go no further west then germany acctually its prob in USA turkey and France and UK to all leave nato its really not in there best interest to be in this alliance anymore