Russia, Ukraine and World War III

Norg · 11-16-2022, 10:47 AM

no one is invading russia

so yes they can be on there own and survive

Trollheart · 11-16-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

Sorry to disagree with you, Trolls, but as Norg says, China only looks out for China. True. they would love to be able to more or less own Russia but they want American money more. If it comes to supporting Russia directly in a military way (we can't complain if China sends them weapons when we're doing the same with Ukraine but if they send troops...) and selling their wares to the Western World, I suspect they'll take the latter. Again, China wants to be an economic power more than anything else. Yes, I know they want Taiwan too but they've always been able to get around that.

Meanwhile, what do you think will happen now that Russian missiles have fallen (probably by mistake) into Poland? Do we wiggle out of it with the possibility that Russia might take it as an excuse to bomb Poland on purpose, or is this the beginning of the end?

Yeah my point is that Russia could only safely launch nukes if China were okay with it, and they've come out and said they are not. Like everyone, Xi Ping or whatever his name is doesn't really fancy the idea of destroying the world on general principles. If they have to side with anyone it won't be someone who's prepared to do that. So I believe that if Biden were to attack Russia directly - assuming he nuked Poland or whatever - China would not join up with Russia.

As to your question, I don't know, but I feel sure Putin will try to blame the Ukrainians on the strike.

Edit: thinking about it more: it was clearly an accident, and I think both sides will be anxious to make that clear. Biden is not going to want to contemplate having an attack on a NATO country, pushing him into direct confrontation with Putin, and to be fair, I really doubt Putin - in his moments of lucidity - wants that either, so he will either blame Ukraine and hope to drive a wedge through the "western alliance", or admit it was a mistake and no actual intent was there. I think everyone wants to avoid the consequences of treating it as a deliberate escalation and provocation from Moscow, and both sides will do all they can to downplay and even excuse it. As long as it's an isolated incident.

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Originally Posted by Norg

no one is invading russia

so yes they can be on there own and survive

That's a great power you have, being able to tell the future.

Trollheart · 11-16-2022, 12:37 PM

Okay, now it seems likely, almost certain that it was a Ukrainian missile, that it was an accident, and there seems to be a general consensus that there was no intention behind the strike. So I guess that's that.

Missile that struck Poland was "most likely" Ukrainian

rubber soul · 11-16-2022, 12:41 PM

Yes, it probably was a Ukrainian air defense missile. But that didn;t stop Medvedev from doing his sabre rattling

Russia's Medvedev says Polish missile incident shows West moving closer to world war

Norg · 11-16-2022, 02:06 PM

Ukraine would like nothing more then 2 have nato jump in and help more

they would prob even attack Poland who Romania and try disguise it has a russian attack

there on a time clock now if trump wins i wouldn't say he would out right ally with russia but .... if trump wins Russia would have at least have a better relations with trump and could maybe cut a deal

The Batlord · 11-16-2022, 02:49 PM

I don't know why you deign to grace us with this level of analysis but I for one can already feel my brain lightening.

SGR · 11-16-2022, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't know why you deign to grace us with this level of analysis but I for one can already feel my brain lightening.

**Marie Monday** · 11-16-2022, 05:30 PM

poor Poland who Romania

Trollheart · 11-16-2022, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't know why you deign to grace us with this level of analysis but I for one can already feel my brain lightening.

You're travelling through a world, a world of strange facts and odd conclusions, where the only real logic is in the head of one man, and reality does not matter. You've just crossed over into
THE NORG ZONE!!!!!

Norg · 11-21-2022, 12:22 AM

ya know i dont think bombing a nuclear power plant is a good idea .....

now the world should step in a make this plant a no anything zone LOL first time in history were the collective can say this place in a no go zone in the middle of someone elses war :P

11-16-2022, 12:37 PM	#533 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Okay, now it seems likely, almost certain that it was a Ukrainian missile, that it was an accident, and there seems to be a general consensus that there was no intention behind the strike. So I guess that's that. Missile that struck Poland was "most likely" Ukrainian __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,358	no one is invading russia so yes they can be on there own and survive

11-16-2022, 02:06 PM	#535 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,358	Ukraine would like nothing more then 2 have nato jump in and help more they would prob even attack Poland who Romania and try disguise it has a russian attack there on a time clock now if trump wins i wouldn't say he would out right ally with russia but .... if trump wins Russia would have at least have a better relations with trump and could maybe cut a deal

11-21-2022, 12:22 AM	#540 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,358	ya know i dont think bombing a nuclear power plant is a good idea ..... now the world should step in a make this plant a no anything zone LOL first time in history were the collective can say this place in a no go zone in the middle of someone elses war :P