Russia, Ukraine and World War III

music_collector · 08-25-2022, 10:23 PM

What is your take on all kinds of sporting agencies not allowing Russians to compete?

The latest world junior hockey tournament wrapped up a week ago. The Russians weren't allowed to compete. Latvia played in its place, and regularly got smoked like a cheap cigar. Their poor goalies are still being treated for shell shock.

One place where the high road was taken was at Wimbledon. Russians couldn't play, but there were no rankings points to be won.

On one hand, I get why they're being banned. On the other hand, they're not fighting anyone.

Trollheart · 08-26-2022, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by music_collector

What is your take on all kinds of sporting agencies not allowing Russians to compete?

The latest world junior hockey tournament wrapped up a week ago. The Russians weren't allowed to compete. Latvia played in its place, and regularly got smoked like a cheap cigar. Their poor goalies are still being treated for shell shock.

One place where the high road was taken was at Wimbledon. Russians couldn't play, but there were no rankings points to be won.

On one hand, I get why they're being banned. On the other hand, they're not fighting anyone.

Um, what?

music_collector · 08-28-2022, 08:57 PM

I was thinking of Ali, when he said "And shoot them for what? They never called me ______" while trying to avoid the Vietnam war draft.

I'd have to look it up, but I don't remember sport governing bodies banning countries because of a war. Canada boycotted the Moscow games in 1980, but that was a government decision.

It's not to take anything away from the invasion or the suffering. I know it's bad. I know the Ukrainians don't deserve any of it.

Trollheart · 08-29-2022, 06:15 AM

I don't follow your reasoning. It's a kind of sanction, a confirmation that the other countries don't agree with what Russia is doing. Do YOU want to hear the Russian national anthem, knowing the war crimes they're perpetrating, knowing they're ****ing SHELLING A NUCLEAR STATION AND PUSHING US ALL TO THE BRINK OF ANNIHILATION? Sure, the athletes, but how many have come out and spoken against the war? Granted, they'd probably end up in Siberia or worse, but you can't allow a country that is basically the 21st century equivalent of Nazi Germany to rub shoulders with the rest of us as if nothing was wrong. The only reason they're "not fighting anyone" is that the NATO countries can't do so directly, but they're certainly supplying arms and equipment, so in all but name. You think the president of Ukraine, Poland, Latvia wants to shake hands with Putin or one of his lackeys? Come on. Seriously.

rubber soul · 08-29-2022, 07:06 AM

Interesting you bring up the Olympic boycott, MC. That was actually started by the United States after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. I'm not sure how many countries followed our lead (I'm heartened to know Canada did), but most of the European countries would compete in Moscow in 1980. The Soviets boycotted the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984 but it ended up backfiring on them as it was (financially anyway) the most successful Olympics altogether.

Anyway, since we can't go beyond a proxy war with Russia, mostly because of nuclear weapons but also because we really don't want China in the mix, we have to make our stand in other avenues. Keeping Russia off the world stage in sports and entertainment events is just one way to do that.

Norg · 08-29-2022, 09:12 PM

lets say russia uses two smallest yield Tactical nukes on military targets around say Kyiv what would USA response be ..?????

and this would happen after ukraine fires some missiles into Russia its self on a few border cities ..???

Plankton · 08-30-2022, 08:30 AM

What if Putin got run over by a bus?

Trollheart · 08-30-2022, 08:37 AM

Driven by Uncle Joe

Plankton · 08-30-2022, 08:46 AM

Who was movin kinda slow

Trollheart · 08-30-2022, 12:50 PM

Cause Republicans said no
They said "listen you Dem ho
The things you want to go
Through congress are just so
Against our right wing flow
As our power has got to grow
And if you we have to throw
Under buses then it's woe
To you and all you'll have to show
For you time here is a slow
Defeat for we say No!"

08-29-2022, 06:15 AM	#484 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	I don't follow your reasoning. It's a kind of sanction, a confirmation that the other countries don't agree with what Russia is doing. Do YOU want to hear the Russian national anthem, knowing the war crimes they're perpetrating, knowing they're ***ing SHELLING A NUCLEAR STATION AND PUSHING US ALL TO THE BRINK OF ANNIHILATION? Sure, the athletes, but how many have come out and spoken against the war? Granted, they'd probably end up in Siberia or worse, but you can't allow a country that is basically the 21st century equivalent of Nazi Germany to rub shoulders with the rest of us as if nothing was wrong. The only reason they're "not fighting anyone" is that the NATO countries can't do so directly, but they're certainly supplying arms and equipment, so in all but name. You think the president of Ukraine, Poland, Latvia wants to shake hands with Putin or one of his lackeys? Come on. Seriously. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

08-30-2022, 08:30 AM	#487 (permalink)
Plankton Just Keep Swimming... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: See signature... Posts: 7,765	What if Putin got run over by a bus? __________________ See location...

08-30-2022, 08:37 AM	#488 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Driven by Uncle Joe __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-30-2022, 08:46 AM	#489 (permalink)
Plankton Just Keep Swimming... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: See signature... Posts: 7,765	Who was movin kinda slow __________________ See location...

08-30-2022, 12:50 PM	#490 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Cause Republicans said no They said "listen you Dem ho The things you want to go Through congress are just so Against our right wing flow As our power has got to grow And if you we have to throw Under buses then it's woe To you and all you'll have to show For you time here is a slow Defeat for we say No!" __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-25-2022, 10:23 PM	#481 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	What is your take on all kinds of sporting agencies not allowing Russians to compete? The latest world junior hockey tournament wrapped up a week ago. The Russians weren't allowed to compete. Latvia played in its place, and regularly got smoked like a cheap cigar. Their poor goalies are still being treated for shell shock. One place where the high road was taken was at Wimbledon. Russians couldn't play, but there were no rankings points to be won. On one hand, I get why they're being banned. On the other hand, they're not fighting anyone.

08-28-2022, 08:57 PM	#483 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	I was thinking of Ali, when he said "And shoot them for what? They never called me ______" while trying to avoid the Vietnam war draft. I'd have to look it up, but I don't remember sport governing bodies banning countries because of a war. Canada boycotted the Moscow games in 1980, but that was a government decision. It's not to take anything away from the invasion or the suffering. I know it's bad. I know the Ukrainians don't deserve any of it.

08-29-2022, 09:12 PM	#486 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,358	lets say russia uses two smallest yield Tactical nukes on military targets around say Kyiv what would USA response be ..????? and this would happen after ukraine fires some missiles into Russia its self on a few border cities ..???