Russia, Ukraine and World War III

rubber soul · 08-03-2022, 07:24 AM

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I just never understand America. No member of the govt here or in the UK or I imagine in Europe could go do something that is against the wishes, orders or without the sanction of the top guy and not get into trouble, yet Pelosi can go against her boss and do what she likes, even if it rattles the sabre? Or is Biden allowing her to do it as a sort of plausible senility, sorry deniability?

First of all, Biden isn't Pelosi's boss. If Biden was the boss, we'd get a lot more stuff accomplished wouldn't have we. And, really, if Trump actually was the boss, the US might not even be here, pathetic as we are at the moment.

Anyway, we have a system where the branches are separated, thus, the Congress, even if it is dominated by the same party, isn't beholden to the President's whims. Maybe it's different with a Parliamentary Government which is by design a one party rule, but here, the Speaker or Senate Leader or even some obscure congressman can do anything he/she wants politically and the President can't do much about it except complain a bit.

music_collector · 08-03-2022, 10:05 AM

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Sort of, he did mention it before being elected and there has been movement on it. I don't remember it being a big part of his campaign promises, but I could be wrong. Here's more on the latest on that, it's all basically refinements and/or additions to Hoover's 1933 "Buy American Act" - there's a lot of caveats and exceptions though.

Thanks for this.

I think we can do more "made in Canada" things as well. I'd use oil as an example, but oil might be a forbidden word here. We could definitely use more manufacturing jobs here. Not everyone can work in an office, right?

Trollheart · 08-03-2022, 11:43 AM

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With a camera in tow?

Well, duh.

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First of all, Biden isn't Pelosi's boss. If Biden was the boss, we'd get a lot more stuff accomplished wouldn't have we. And, really, if Trump actually was the boss, the US might even be here, pathetic as we are at the moment.

Anyway, we have a system where the branches are separated, thus, the Congress, even if it is dominated by the same party, isn't beholden to the President's whims. Maybe it's different with a Parliamentary Government which is by design a one party rule, but here, the Speaker or Senate Leader or even some obscure congressman can do anything he/she wants politically and the President can't do much about it except complain a bit.

This is really interesting. So the Pres has not really any power over Congress? You're a weird, weird country, you know that? Here, the Taoiseach (PM) is lord and master of the party and anyone who steps out of line is in big trouble. I'm pretty sure that's how it is in the UK too, and most if not all of Western Europe.

music_collector · 08-03-2022, 11:48 AM

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Here, the Taoiseach (PM) is lord and master of the party and anyone who steps out of line is in big trouble.

You can say that it's the way here in Canada. A lot has been said and written about the power that has been centralized in the prime minister's office.

Mindy · 08-03-2022, 03:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5CtCWBKWWg

SGR · 08-03-2022, 05:09 PM

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Well, duh.

This is really interesting. So the Pres has not really any power over Congress? You're a weird, weird country, you know that? Here, the Taoiseach (PM) is lord and master of the party and anyone who steps out of line is in big trouble. I'm pretty sure that's how it is in the UK too, and most if not all of Western Europe.

I dont think this is completely true. If a member of Congress from the same party as the President continually snubs the President, said President could support a primary opponent to said member of Congress. It's leverage that would only really work if the President, their administration and their agenda is more popular with the congress member's constituency than the congress member is. On the other side of the coin, and Im not exactly sure of the specifics of this, but a congress member could switch party affiliation giving more power to the other side. Obviously this is really risky for them politically so it doesn't happen often.

rubber soul · 08-04-2022, 06:20 AM

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I dont think this is completely true. If a member of Congress from the same party as the President continually snubs the President, said President could support a primary opponent to said member of Congress. It's leverage that would only really work if the President, their administration and their agenda is more popular with the congress member's constituency than the congress member is. On the other side of the coin, and Im not exactly sure of the specifics of this, but a congress member could switch party affiliation giving more power to the other side. Obviously this is really risky for them politically so it doesn't happen often.

True, as the head of his party, the President could support a primary opponent much like Trump did during his term, but it is really contingent on how much control you have within the party. In Biden's case, right now, he is about as popular as sewage waste with the Dems.

music_collector · 08-04-2022, 07:39 PM

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as popular as sewage waste

That is fair to say. A lot of leaders in this part of the world are in the same boat.

I don't know the structure of the parties. I know here, Trudeau controls everyone in the party. If someone in the party goes against him, they're gone.

HotelCalifornia · 08-07-2022, 08:46 PM

Honestly, no one wants a war, but I don't feel that a third world war will be started.

Norg · 08-08-2022, 09:59 PM

could this be the start of WW3 ..????

buttt with the higher ups China,Russia,USA+ others having some guidelines allah no attack each other proper land with nukes ..??? or boots on ground

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