Russia, Ukraine and World War III

Plankton · 08-12-2022, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg

...or boots on ground

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWm9Em2rwD4

The Batlord · 08-25-2022, 09:19 AM

Rest in piss to Aleksander Dugin's **** daughter who just got car bombed. Dylan Burns just put out a good video on her and her father and why nobody should feel sorry for either of them.

Trollheart · 08-25-2022, 06:42 PM

Pity they didn't get him. Score, no score.

Norg · 08-25-2022, 09:08 PM

whats been going on both sides are just building trenches and chillin ..??? WW1 style lol

i think russia is just waiting till winter then waiting till summer 2023 to move a few more miles then waiting till summer 2024 etc etc

music_collector · 08-25-2022, 09:23 PM

What is your take on all kinds of sporting agencies not allowing Russians to compete?

The latest world junior hockey tournament wrapped up a week ago. The Russians weren't allowed to compete. Latvia played in its place, and regularly got smoked like a cheap cigar. Their poor goalies are still being treated for shell shock.

One place where the high road was taken was at Wimbledon. Russians couldn't play, but there were no rankings points to be won.

On one hand, I get why they're being banned. On the other hand, they're not fighting anyone.

Trollheart · 08-26-2022, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by music_collector

What is your take on all kinds of sporting agencies not allowing Russians to compete?

The latest world junior hockey tournament wrapped up a week ago. The Russians weren't allowed to compete. Latvia played in its place, and regularly got smoked like a cheap cigar. Their poor goalies are still being treated for shell shock.

One place where the high road was taken was at Wimbledon. Russians couldn't play, but there were no rankings points to be won.

On one hand, I get why they're being banned. On the other hand, they're not fighting anyone.

Um, what?

music_collector · 08-28-2022, 07:57 PM

I was thinking of Ali, when he said "And shoot them for what? They never called me ______" while trying to avoid the Vietnam war draft.

I'd have to look it up, but I don't remember sport governing bodies banning countries because of a war. Canada boycotted the Moscow games in 1980, but that was a government decision.

It's not to take anything away from the invasion or the suffering. I know it's bad. I know the Ukrainians don't deserve any of it.

Trollheart · 08-29-2022, 05:15 AM

I don't follow your reasoning. It's a kind of sanction, a confirmation that the other countries don't agree with what Russia is doing. Do YOU want to hear the Russian national anthem, knowing the war crimes they're perpetrating, knowing they're ****ing SHELLING A NUCLEAR STATION AND PUSHING US ALL TO THE BRINK OF ANNIHILATION? Sure, the athletes, but how many have come out and spoken against the war? Granted, they'd probably end up in Siberia or worse, but you can't allow a country that is basically the 21st century equivalent of Nazi Germany to rub shoulders with the rest of us as if nothing was wrong. The only reason they're "not fighting anyone" is that the NATO countries can't do so directly, but they're certainly supplying arms and equipment, so in all but name. You think the president of Ukraine, Poland, Latvia wants to shake hands with Putin or one of his lackeys? Come on. Seriously.

rubber soul · 08-29-2022, 06:06 AM

Interesting you bring up the Olympic boycott, MC. That was actually started by the United States after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. I'm not sure how many countries followed our lead (I'm heartened to know Canada did), but most of the European countries would compete in Moscow in 1980. The Soviets boycotted the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984 but it ended up backfiring on them as it was (financially anyway) the most successful Olympics altogether.

Anyway, since we can't go beyond a proxy war with Russia, mostly because of nuclear weapons but also because we really don't want China in the mix, we have to make our stand in other avenues. Keeping Russia off the world stage in sports and entertainment events is just one way to do that.

Norg · 08-29-2022, 08:12 PM

lets say russia uses two smallest yield Tactical nukes on military targets around say Kyiv what would USA response be ..?????

and this would happen after ukraine fires some missiles into Russia its self on a few border cities ..???

08-25-2022, 06:42 PM	#463 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Pity they didn't get him. Score, no score. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-29-2022, 05:15 AM	#468 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	I don't follow your reasoning. It's a kind of sanction, a confirmation that the other countries don't agree with what Russia is doing. Do YOU want to hear the Russian national anthem, knowing the war crimes they're perpetrating, knowing they're ***ing SHELLING A NUCLEAR STATION AND PUSHING US ALL TO THE BRINK OF ANNIHILATION? Sure, the athletes, but how many have come out and spoken against the war? Granted, they'd probably end up in Siberia or worse, but you can't allow a country that is basically the 21st century equivalent of Nazi Germany to rub shoulders with the rest of us as if nothing was wrong. The only reason they're "not fighting anyone" is that the NATO countries can't do so directly, but they're certainly supplying arms and equipment, so in all but name. You think the president of Ukraine, Poland, Latvia wants to shake hands with Putin or one of his lackeys? Come on. Seriously. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

08-25-2022, 09:08 PM	#464 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,362	whats been going on both sides are just building trenches and chillin ..??? WW1 style lol i think russia is just waiting till winter then waiting till summer 2023 to move a few more miles then waiting till summer 2024 etc etc

08-25-2022, 09:23 PM	#465 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	What is your take on all kinds of sporting agencies not allowing Russians to compete? The latest world junior hockey tournament wrapped up a week ago. The Russians weren't allowed to compete. Latvia played in its place, and regularly got smoked like a cheap cigar. Their poor goalies are still being treated for shell shock. One place where the high road was taken was at Wimbledon. Russians couldn't play, but there were no rankings points to be won. On one hand, I get why they're being banned. On the other hand, they're not fighting anyone.

08-28-2022, 07:57 PM	#467 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	I was thinking of Ali, when he said "And shoot them for what? They never called me ______" while trying to avoid the Vietnam war draft. I'd have to look it up, but I don't remember sport governing bodies banning countries because of a war. Canada boycotted the Moscow games in 1980, but that was a government decision. It's not to take anything away from the invasion or the suffering. I know it's bad. I know the Ukrainians don't deserve any of it.

08-29-2022, 08:12 PM	#470 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,362	lets say russia uses two smallest yield Tactical nukes on military targets around say Kyiv what would USA response be ..????? and this would happen after ukraine fires some missiles into Russia its self on a few border cities ..???