Russia, Ukraine and World War III

Trollheart · 04-03-2022, 08:14 PM

What are you: some sort of Jesus freak? Turn the other cheek to this, pal!

I just can't get over norg's inability or determination not to understand the idea of defending your country against an aggressor not being possible to be characterised as an attack.

rubber soul · 04-04-2022, 08:06 AM

Well, like you guys always say, it's norg.

The Batlord · 04-04-2022, 10:03 AM

More like rong, amiright?

Trollheart · 04-04-2022, 10:21 AM

we are the norg. Your life as you knew it is over. From now on, you will exist to service us. Comprehension is futile. We will add your technological and biological annoyance to our own.

**Exo** · 04-04-2022, 06:20 PM

I have a very close friend of mine who is slowly going off the deep end conspiracy theory wise and last night he told me all the videos of the dead children in Bucha were crisis actors.

He was serious. I didn't know how to respond so I changed the subject.

The Batlord · 04-04-2022, 06:36 PM

Is falling down a right or left wing conspiracy hole? There seems to be a ****ed up convergence of right wingers who like Putin as an anti-woke strongman and faux lefties who can't let go of the USSR and support Russia as... a check to American imperialism or something?

adidasss · 04-05-2022, 02:44 AM

I was pretty surprised when I read that Putin's approval levels in Russia have risen since the start of the invasion. Then I started reading about the propaganda machine. It's really fascinating how important strong propaganda is in any war. The same thing happened during the Balkan wars. We had no idea what the real situation was until long after the war ended, there was only one version of events available. I suppose the same thing is happening on the Ukrainian side now, I read reports which sound like obvious exaggerations, and of course, there are no negative reports filtering through into the West, which also isn't credible in a war situation. We'll find out the real extent of the horror show some time after it all ends. The problem is that each side will stick to their story.

rubber soul · 04-05-2022, 06:50 AM

There is also the fear in Russia that your real personal opinion could get you killed so I'm not sure the approval ratings for Putin are all that accurate

jadis · 04-05-2022, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss

I was pretty surprised when I read that Putin's approval levels in Russia have risen since the start of the invasion. Then I started reading about the propaganda machine. It's really fascinating how important strong propaganda is in any war. The same thing happened during the Balkan wars. We had no idea what the real situation was until long after the war ended, there was only one version of events available. I suppose the same thing is happening on the Ukrainian side now, I read reports which sound like obvious exaggerations, and of course, there are no negative reports filtering through into the West, which also isn't credible in a war situation. We'll find out the real extent of the horror show some time after it all ends. The problem is that each side will stick to their story.

There's a great Sontag quote circulating apropos of just that

Psy-Fi · 04-05-2022, 06:59 AM

Satellite images show bodies were lying in Bucha for WEEKS - debunking Russia's wild claims that 400 corpses were planted AFTER Putin's troops fled - as Zelensky prepares to address UN Security Council over 'genocide'

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	What are you: some sort of Jesus freak? Turn the other cheek to this, pal! I just can't get over norg's inability or determination not to understand the idea of defending your country against an aggressor not being possible to be characterised as an attack. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

04-04-2022, 10:21 AM	#294 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	*we are the norg. Your life as you knew it is over. From now on, you will exist to service us. Comprehension is futile. We will add your technological and biological annoyance to our own.* __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Exo All day jazz and biscuits Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,354	I have a very close friend of mine who is slowly going off the deep end conspiracy theory wise and last night he told me all the videos of the dead children in Bucha were crisis actors. He was serious. I didn't know how to respond so I changed the subject. __________________ LastFM SUPREME POO BAH MODERATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE

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adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	I was pretty surprised when I read that Putin's approval levels in Russia have risen since the start of the invasion. Then I started reading about the propaganda machine. It's really fascinating how important strong propaganda is in any war. The same thing happened during the Balkan wars. We had no idea what the real situation was until long after the war ended, there was only one version of events available. I suppose the same thing is happening on the Ukrainian side now, I read reports which sound like obvious exaggerations, and of course, there are no negative reports filtering through into the West, which also isn't credible in a war situation. We'll find out the real extent of the horror show some time after it all ends. The problem is that each side will stick to their story. __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm