Russia, Ukraine and World War III

ribbons · 03-02-2022, 01:13 PM

This is so sad. "We are being sent to war like cannon fodder....I will say that Ukrainian military are nice guys, they did not hit me and gave me food. For what? Everywhere here live peaceful people and no one wants war."

I well-up every time President Zelenskyy appears on tv. A truly great leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6v3nnxOrh4

Norg · 03-02-2022, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

I just heard from my friend in Croatia and they're obviously concerned since they border Hungary. I told her being in NATO is a blessing because Putin knows if he invades a NATO country, it's nuclear war for sure and I'm sure Putin wouldn't want to be remembered as the man who destroyed the world, including and especially Russia.

ya know if russia attacks a nato member i dont think its nuclear war at least not right away ..???? there gonna fight a conventional war the first few months i think ..???

central and southern europe will be the victims in this battleground

now i really dont know how Suicidal USA will be in if they bomb russia proper or not idk if they wanna push russia that much but u never know

seeing how russia is struggling with Ukraine i doubt the can take on a powerhouse in poland & buddies

Raime · 03-02-2022, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ribbons

This is so sad. "We are being sent to war like cannon fodder....I will say that Ukrainian military are nice guys, they did not hit me and gave me food. For what? Everywhere here live peaceful people and no one wants war."

I well-up every time President Zelenskyy appears on tv. A truly great leader.

No doubt in my mind that Conscripts are being thrown into a grinder to soften up Ukraine, but I'm also not one for believing that all Russian soldiers who surrender are treated humanely, same as any captured Ukrainian soldiers. I haven't seen too many instances where Ukraine has done any truly ****ed up things yet, but it's hard to see even if there was due to Russia's insane propaganda machine. It makes discerning anything very difficult, and frankly, I think it hurts them more than anything in the eyes of their people and the rest of the world.

~~jwb~~ · 03-02-2022, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Duh another country joining NATO strengthens NATO. Just like Ukraine being in Russia's sphere of influence strengthens Russia. All those former Soviet states joined NATO for a reason and Russia isn't willing to give Georgia or Ukraine the option to choose for a reason. Of course hegemonic powers are going to try to undermine each other but America absolutely had no need to put in Putin's head that he should dominate Ukraine. Russia wants to do that America or no America.

The main way Ukraine strengthens nato is by threatening and/or weakening Russia. Where as the Russian empire is more or less hopeless without the Ukraine. The difference in strategic value here is staggering.

The Batlord · 03-03-2022, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

The main way Ukraine strengthens nato is by threatening and/or weakening Russia. Where as the Russian empire is more or less hopeless without the Ukraine. The difference in strategic value here is staggering.

1. Who ****ing cares? You aren't owed client states.

2. Russia's relative weakness is why they have less control over there sphere of influence and have a tendency to roll in with tanks. Hence the former Soviet republics wanting NATO protection.

~~jwb~~ · 03-03-2022, 08:10 AM

Whether you are owed a buffer state is not the point. Their national security depends on said buffer state. Thus they have strong interests to intervene in the process of Ukraine gravitating towards nato. Much more so than any other former Soviet territory. So the idea that Ukraine is just step 1 to Russian conquest in Europe is pretty dubious.

I understand why those nations want nato protection. I also understand why that's a direct threat against Russia when a country that has a large wide open border is going to potentially have nato troops and arms on their border which they will then have to expand the military to protect.

The United States would never abide this sort of thing in our own back yard - the Monroe doctrine dictates we have supremacy over essentially the entire Western hemisphere.

rubber soul · 03-03-2022, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg

ya know if russia attacks a nato member i dont think its nuclear war at least not right away ..???? there gonna fight a conventional war the first few months i think ..???

central and southern europe will be the victims in this battleground

now i really dont know how Suicidal USA will be in if they bomb russia proper or not idk if they wanna push russia that much but u never know

seeing how russia is struggling with Ukraine i doubt the can take on a powerhouse in poland & buddies

You may be right, it may be conventional initially (which scares the Hell out of me for my friend in Croatia- and she's in Zagreb too)

But don't think for a minute we're going to let ourselves be ruled by Mr. Putin. If he launches a nuclear missile (and he will go first), it's lights out for everybody including Russia (and yes, the US as well).

Trollheart · 03-03-2022, 01:22 PM

Don't be Putin ideas into people's heads. We're better Biden our time. Kyiv it a chance; we don't want it to be fiNATO before talks or mediation.

I apologise: I don't know what came over me! Where am I? What day is this? How long have I - no! Really?

rostasi · 03-03-2022, 05:03 PM

Ukraine Forces Reportedly Kill Russia General Andrei Sukhovetsky in Blow to Invading Army

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A top Russian military figure has been killed in the war in Ukraine according to local news outlets citing a social media post by his colleague.

Ukrainian news outlets were reporting that Andrei Sukhovetsky, deputy commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army of the Central Military District, had been killed on Wednesday.

Media outlets cited a post on VKontakte announcing the death, written by Sergei Chipilev, a deputy of the Russian veterans group, Combat Brotherhood.

rostasi · 03-03-2022, 07:17 PM

War in Ukraine: Europe’s largest nuclear power plant on fire after Russian attack.

03-03-2022, 08:10 AM	#196 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Whether you are owed a buffer state is not the point. Their national security depends on said buffer state. Thus they have strong interests to intervene in the process of Ukraine gravitating towards nato. Much more so than any other former Soviet territory. So the idea that Ukraine is just step 1 to Russian conquest in Europe is pretty dubious. I understand why those nations want nato protection. I also understand why that's a direct threat against Russia when a country that has a large wide open border is going to potentially have nato troops and arms on their border which they will then have to expand the military to protect. The United States would never abide this sort of thing in our own back yard - the Monroe doctrine dictates we have supremacy over essentially the entire Western hemisphere. Last edited by jwb; 03-03-2022 at 08:19 AM.

03-03-2022, 01:22 PM	#198 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Don't be Putin ideas into people's heads. We're better Biden our time. Kyiv it a chance; we don't want it to be fiNATO before talks or mediation. I apologise: I don't know what came over me! Where am I? What day is this? How long have I - no! Really? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

03-02-2022, 01:13 PM	#191 (permalink)
ribbons Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,265	This is so sad. "We are being sent to war like cannon fodder....I will say that Ukrainian military are nice guys, they did not hit me and gave me food. For what? Everywhere here live peaceful people and no one wants war." I well-up every time President Zelenskyy appears on tv. A truly great leader. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6v3nnxOrh4

03-03-2022, 07:17 PM	#200 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	War in Ukraine: Europe’s largest nuclear power plant on fire after Russian attack.