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Old 03-01-2022, 02:48 PM   #181 (permalink)
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there's an implicit coercion when it comes to NATO though because of the economic dominance

self-determinism as long as everything you decide aligns with US priorities
Let's assume that's true. Which nation would you rather be beholden to?
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Old 03-01-2022, 02:59 PM   #182 (permalink)
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you want to be on The West's side because they're more powerful
If Russia was more powerful, you'd feel better about being affiliated with the country that has had the same leader since 2000, when the US has had

Clinton
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Old 03-01-2022, 03:25 PM   #183 (permalink)
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Alright. You're entitled to whatever opinion you'd like, I just wanted to ask.
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Old 03-01-2022, 03:35 PM   #184 (permalink)
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on the contrary, the only reason you'd want to be allied with a country capable of electing Donald Trump might be because there's economic consequences otherwise
Maybe, but it's slightly more complicated than that. The only way it wouldn't be is if you think there's no difference between those candidates I listed. Not in general, but as a rational actor on the international stage.

If you're the Ukraine, I think there's a major difference from Bush to Biden.
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Old 03-01-2022, 04:01 PM   #185 (permalink)
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there is but I think the deciding factor is just that The West is rich

and we're rich because our own historical acts of violence
How is China rich?
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Old 03-01-2022, 06:15 PM   #186 (permalink)
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in 1880 China was the global powerhouse of economic prosperity. Did they get there by acts of violence?

Looking at this chart, China has a $14.34T GDP. Britain has a $2.83T GDP. Assuming your statement about acts of violence gets people wealth, that assumes China's atrocities are 7x greater than that of the UK.

My point in all of this is to say that violence is a hallmark of all great nations. it might be fair to say violence made the US wealthy, but I would argue in the league of nations, America has some catching up to do in terms of global violence.
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Old 03-01-2022, 06:30 PM   #187 (permalink)
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Do we have to kill off Mexicans or something to achieve that level of greatness? We're about out of Natives.
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If you do that, who'll clean your swimming pool? Didn't think of that, did ya?
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Old 03-01-2022, 09:21 PM   #189 (permalink)
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there's an implicit coercion when it comes to NATO though because of the economic dominance

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There's coercion in Russia's sphere of influence as well, and if you're Ukraine I imagine the coercion that didn't involve hundreds of years of occupation, the holodomor, and the ever present threat of invasion probably sounds a lot better, especially if it gives you protection from all of the above.
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I just heard from my friend in Croatia and they're obviously concerned since they border Hungary. I told her being in NATO is a blessing because Putin knows if he invades a NATO country, it's nuclear war for sure and I'm sure Putin wouldn't want to be remembered as the man who destroyed the world, including and especially Russia.
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