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Old 05-11-2021, 03:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be so certain on using evolution and genetics to describe human social behavior

but it does seem a sense of justice is just inherent across all humans

in which case it isn't a matter of judging outcomes
why do we value justice though? Any ideas on that?

So far I'm hearing from you that we just value some things cause we value them... Which seems pretty unsatisfying. You don't think there's any underlying logic at play?
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I think that's basically correct
How do you know if that value is misplaced or not?
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you don't man!
I'd like a moral basis that is a little firmer than blind faith and conjecture

I also think that's it's easily achievable.
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I think that's basically correct though

morality is super subjective

typically when you want to argue morals you look for inconsistencies within someone's framework
it's subjective but it's not random. And if it's not random that means there is some underlying influences that ultimately shape the direction that it takes, and those influences I would argue are intrinsically tied to instincts that we formed over however long which in themselves are shaped by pursuing certain types of outcomes. Whether consciously or unconsciously.

I.e. there's probably a reason most people would value freedom rather than slavery, truth rather than deception, etc

Like you say democracy is self justified. What is it about democracy that makes it self justified as opposed to tyranny being self justified instead?
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And if it's not random that means there is some underlying influences that ultimately shape the direction that it takes
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