The Official Covid Vaccine Thread

~~jwb~~ · 03-21-2021, 01:35 PM

I'm statistically part of that group but if I had acted differently that group would still exist minus one person. The difference that would make is negligible.

If my decision had a broader influence that would cause countless others to act differently as well then my decision would have more weight to it and I would be more mindful of said group. The reality is my decision had no such influence.

It's similar to voting. If I don't vote personally it really makes no difference. If everyone who thinks like me who didn't vote would all collectively vote then that would make a difference. But I don't have that kind of sway so my decision to vote or not to vote statistically has next to 0 impact on the election.

**Frownland** · 03-21-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm statistically part of that group but if I had acted differently that group would still exist minus one person. The difference that would make is negligible.

In terms of responsibility on a macro scale for the spread of the pandemic that nobody is trying to put on you? Sure, negligible. In terms of whether or not you're participating in reckless behaviour that can have a legitimate impact in your network i.e. what you're actually being criticized for? It's as negligible as the difference between 0% and 100%.

~~jwb~~ · 03-21-2021, 01:52 PM

Once again even then you have to factor in that the gathering was happening whether I attended or not. So how do you calculate how much added risk I provide but attending?

**Frownland** · 03-21-2021, 01:55 PM

If you went, we have 1. If you didn't go, we have 0. By my calculations that credits you with 100% responsibility for your reckless behaviour.

~~jwb~~ · 03-21-2021, 01:58 PM

But what does 1 and 0 actually represent in terms of added risk? What is the actual probability that me going makes the difference in whether or not someone gets covid?

**Frownland** · 03-21-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

But what does 1 and 0 actually represent in terms of added risk?

Spreading the virus versus not.

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What is the actual probability that me going makes the difference in whether or not someone gets covid?

What do you think it is?

The Batlord · 03-21-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm statistically part of that group but if I had acted differently that group would still exist minus one person. The difference that would make is negligible.

If my decision had a broader influence that would cause countless others to act differently as well then my decision would have more weight to it and I would be more mindful of said group. The reality is my decision had no such influence.

It's similar to voting. If I don't vote personally it really makes no difference. If everyone who thinks like me who didn't vote would all collectively vote then that would make a difference. But I don't have that kind of sway so my decision to vote or not to vote statistically has next to 0 impact on the election.

You could apply this logic to being a murderer. You probably still shouldn't be a murderer regardless of how many other murderers there are.

~~jwb~~ · 03-21-2021, 02:05 PM

No because murder is severe enough that even if nobody else is murdering you shouldn't do it. The going to family gatherings thing only becomes an issue because of the large amounts of people doing it. It's not comparable at all. Try again.

~~jwb~~ · 03-21-2021, 02:07 PM

Dunno how I even got roped back into this months old debate again... This is not how I'm gonna spend my Sunday guys lol.

The Batlord · 03-21-2021, 02:08 PM

If you get sick going to a gathering you don't have to go to and then infect someone who dies I'd say you're responsible for their death in a negligent homicide way.

03-21-2021, 01:55 PM	#114 (permalink)
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03-21-2021, 01:35 PM	#111 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I'm statistically part of that group but if I had acted differently that group would still exist minus one person. The difference that would make is negligible. If my decision had a broader influence that would cause countless others to act differently as well then my decision would have more weight to it and I would be more mindful of said group. The reality is my decision had no such influence. It's similar to voting. If I don't vote personally it really makes no difference. If everyone who thinks like me who didn't vote would all collectively vote then that would make a difference. But I don't have that kind of sway so my decision to vote or not to vote statistically has next to 0 impact on the election.

03-21-2021, 01:52 PM	#113 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Once again even then you have to factor in that the gathering was happening whether I attended or not. So how do you calculate how much added risk I provide but attending?

03-21-2021, 01:58 PM	#115 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	But what does 1 and 0 actually represent in terms of added risk? What is the actual probability that me going makes the difference in whether or not someone gets covid?

03-21-2021, 02:05 PM	#118 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	No because murder is severe enough that even if nobody else is murdering you shouldn't do it. The going to family gatherings thing only becomes an issue because of the large amounts of people doing it. It's not comparable at all. Try again.

03-21-2021, 02:07 PM	#119 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Dunno how I even got roped back into this months old debate again... This is not how I'm gonna spend my Sunday guys lol.