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Old 08-30-2021, 08:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What I meant is that the criticism of this decision is based on the fact that it destabilises the country/region and leads to more deaths and human suffering than there'd be if the US stayed stationed there
Thousands are already dying in Afghanistan every year. You just don't hear about it cause they're not American. So long as we're there the Taliban will continue to gain recruits and the war will never end. Leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban is repugnant but at least there's a chance they sort their own **** out. Will never happen so long as we stay and defense contractors continue to get trillions for the murder machine.
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Old 08-30-2021, 02:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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at least there's a chance they sort their own **** out. Will never happen so long as we stay and defense contractors continue to get trillions for the murder machine.
I guess you're right

Still the decision seems to me not the best one possible. Or at least not carried out in the best way possible (not even close, when you read the news)

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It just won't be as much of our problem anymore but that country was a theocratic hell hole ruled by religious war lords pre 9/11 and that's exactly what's coming back. Make no doubt about it.
It already came back really.


The ironic thing about all of this is that Afghanistan in the 50-70s was actually quite the progressive country and a Mecca for hippies.
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Old 08-30-2021, 03:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It already came back really.

It never went away.

While it may only get even worse for ordinary Afghans in the coming years, there is something to be said for the alternative to the Taliban no longer being violent foreign invaders who don't even pretend to have any coherent long-term plan for the country. Say what you will about the Iraq war, but in addition to all the profiteering, it was also driven by sincerely-held delusions about "nation-building". With Afghanistan the pretense was never even there.

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The ironic thing about all of this is that Afghanistan in the 50-70s was actually quite the progressive country and a Mecca for hippies.
If only someone knew what was behind the change. Maybe Zbigniew Brzezinski could have an idea?

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Old 08-31-2021, 02:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It never went away.


While it may only get even worse for ordinary Afghans in the coming years,
That's kinda my point in all these posts

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Maybe Zbigniew Brzezinski could have an idea?
Is this some sort of political ad personam? His son had just been elected the new US ambassador in Poland (and they're of Polish ancestors).

(I'm not trying too be offensive; it's just that I'm not sure I understand what you mean
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Do we have reliable data on how many Afghanis support the Taliban?
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Is this some sort of political ad personam? His son had just been elected the new US ambassador in Poland (and they're of Polish ancestors).

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No, not at all, respect to the Polish people. Didn't even know his son was in politics.

I simply cited him as one of the figures most identified with the US arming and propping up Muslim fundamentalists in Afghanistan in order to drag the Soviets into a Vietnam all of their own right on their border. That's what that quote illustrates.


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That's kinda my point in all these posts

My point was that violent invaders and foreign usurpers aren't the best conduit for Western European Liberal Enlightenment Values, which is the fantasy version of America's role in Afghanistan. If they were, Taliban wouldn't be the only game in town after 20 years.
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