What Didn’t President Biden Do Now?

~~jwb~~ · 08-27-2021, 07:40 PM

So you're saying the president has control over whether we pull out but no control over how that is implemented or executed? I tend to doubt that.

Either way when they get a victory they are quick to claim credit for that. So guess what? When you **** **** up that's on you, too

jadis · 08-27-2021, 07:48 PM

Not arguing with the second bit but yes, essentially. The level of detail you can go into sitting at the WH is limited even if your cognitive abilities aren't in a state of terminal decline, as seems to be the case with Biden.

~~jwb~~ · 08-27-2021, 07:52 PM

Saying the level of detail is limited seems like an intentionally vague assertion. You're saying the executive office has no sway whatsoever over things like how quickly we withdraw etc? Give me a source for where you are getting this from.

jadis · 08-27-2021, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're saying the executive office has no sway whatsoever over things like how quickly we withdraw etc?

Of course not. But there's always some room for maneuvering in an operation this vast.

We won't know the details until credible book-length accounts come out.

~~jwb~~ · 08-27-2021, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis

Of course not. But there's always some room for maneuvering in an operation this vast.

We won't know the details until credible book-length accounts come out.

So then there is also from for making the "right" (assuming you believe it is right) decision to end the occupation while still failing in the planning and execution of actually following through on that decision... Which seeing how ****ed things have been seems not only like a possibility but a likely one at that..

~~jwb~~ · 08-27-2021, 09:39 PM

Fine as in he executed it well or just fine as in nobody will eventually care about how bad he ****ed up?

rubber soul · 08-28-2021, 06:08 AM

Wasn't it Donald Trump that had started the pull out to begin with? But I guess he's totally blameless in all this. After all, he wouldn't have done anything ridiculous like pull the troops out of Syria leaving the Kurds sitting ducks for the Turks, right?

PS- How many people actually remember that? I'm with Batty on this one.

~~jwb~~ · 08-28-2021, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

Wasn't it Donald Trump that had started the pull out to begin with? But I guess he's totally blameless in all this. After all, he wouldn't have done anything ridiculous like pull the troops out of Syria leaving the Kurds sitting ducks for the Turks, right?

PS- How many people actually remember that? I'm with Batty on this one.

obviously it was a massive success. And even if it wasn't a success, then the failure is clearly Trump's fault and not Biden's. It was dumb when Trump said to do it but smart when Biden did it.

And even if it was a major **** up, nobody will remember in a week anyway so it's all good. Anyone who says otherwise is a neoliberal war mongerer. Go team USA!!

The Batlord · 08-28-2021, 06:22 AM

I don't think he did pull troops out of Syria. I think he just moved them to another part of Syria.

rubber soul · 08-28-2021, 07:08 AM

He pulled most of them out of Northern Syria after some deal with Erdogan. The point is though, and I think it was a point you're making with Biden, is that everyone forgot about it in a week and it was time for the next crisis. If Biden is doomed to be a one-term President, it won't be over Afghanistan.

08-27-2021, 07:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	So you're saying the president has control over whether we pull out but no control over how that is implemented or executed? I tend to doubt that. Either way when they get a victory they are quick to claim credit for that. So guess what? When you ** ** up that's on you, too

08-27-2021, 07:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,413	Not arguing with the second bit but yes, essentially. The level of detail you can go into sitting at the WH is limited even if your cognitive abilities aren't in a state of terminal decline, as seems to be the case with Biden.

08-27-2021, 07:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Saying the level of detail is limited seems like an intentionally vague assertion. You're saying the executive office has no sway whatsoever over things like how quickly we withdraw etc? Give me a source for where you are getting this from.

08-27-2021, 09:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Fine as in he executed it well or just fine as in nobody will eventually care about how bad he ****ed up?