Europe is capitalist and that’s bad. But you are not infested with American Necro-Capitalism.

Rich people make a lot of money selling guns. That settles the matter in America.

It’s not about armed protests, protecting your family, giving women a defense against sexual assault, deer hunting, cop killing, genocide on black folk, or any of that. It’s a product. People profit from it.

Am I broken record? It’s not my fault it always boils down to the same thing.

Gun Ownership by Country 2021

The irony of posting in this thread with that avvy! :laughing:

Well they also don't seem to start/get involved in any wars... Is conscription so bad if you only use it for defensive purposes?

Its both tbh

Gun culture in america has been present since day 1. Having a gun on the frontier was pretty ****ing important.

But in the modern day context the big arms industry companies use the NRA to indoctrinate people against any gun restrictions cause it's good for business. They take the already existing gun culture and weaponize it against any threats to the industry.

How the **** could you not understand it’s about money? Gun lobby. Money. Gun sales. Money. Arms manufacturing. Money. Weapons development. Money.

Guess how you get a gun at a gun show. You pay money.

Who funds the Republican Party? The gun lobby. How do they do that? With money. Who do they work for? Weapons manufacturers. Why do people manufacture weapons? To sell them.

You sound like every black homeless guy rambling to himself at the bus stop I've ever met.

Only if you oppose slavery.

The egg came way before the chicken dumb ass.

The culture is **** because of greed.

yep, it seems more likely to me that it all started with America's chauvinist gun obsession, and then a few psychos realised how much money they could make off it
that's true but not fair. The money question this discussion is about is specifically profiting off the gun industry, not greed in general

The gun industry is greedy. But hey they’re just servicing a market like good capitalists. It’s not their fault. It’s Joe Country **** with his shotgun and **** culture. Not the rich people who own the industry and sip frappe crappuccino in their Miami high rise. Because **** Joe Country and his $19,000 a year. It’s his fault.

Um have you considered that it can be the fault of both? Because that's the point that is being made. It's just that it started with Joe Country.

The settlers of Plymouth Colony were actually pretty wealthy when they were still on your side of the ****hole. Madison, Jefferson, and Washington got paid.

It ain’t Country ****’s world. He’s just living in it. I ain’t turning my back on my brother. In fact, I hope he keeps his shotgun loaded and I know he will.

I know who the enemy is even if he doesn’t. It ain’t him.

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The fact that the founding fathers were wealthy isn't relevant.
And you're glorifying right wing working class Americans again. If they're not the enemy themselves they're definitely fighting for the enemy.

They loved guns. Since we’re talking about eggs. Unless you wanna blame the Indians.



I too am not without sin. It is incumbent on me to love my brothers.

I meant that gun obsession culture is the egg, whoever started it. That's not really a relevant question in this discussion anyway. But afaik gun culture as we know it originated among rural right wing Americans

lame it’s not on YouTube

Where?

And do you think slavery has anything to do with... greed?

Right. Only white people support second amendment rights. Black people hate guns. Or was that chicken **** do nothing white liberals who hate guns? I’ll check. Hang on.

Black people actually OWN guns. And they shoot each other with them. That’s about as pro-gun as it gets.

That’s not gun control that’s gun control for black people only. That’s your precious democracy. More white people. Vote. OK blacks can’t have guns.

None of that **** took guns from white people.

Just passing through the internet wastelands and wanted to see what goes on. Perhaps this comment's already been made in some shape,but we have guns here in Norway. The perhaps striking difference is that we have guns for hunting and not for scaring / killing peeps. So, I think a gun culture - if there should be one - should at least go hand in hand with a hunting culture. Take out the hunting part and it seems more than a little nuts.

I heard in a podcast that in the US, there's a gunshow loophole which is basically that if you're at a gunshow, you can buy guns - no questions asked. In that podcast, they claim that this loophole exists in most states and account for about 50% of sales. This is how the Columbine shooters got their guns.

These are claims that I haven't confirmed at all, but if true, that's pretty crazy that 50% of guns is bought basically without any regulation other than eyeballing over the counter.

Hi tore! :wavey: Nice of you to stop by. Hope you're well, somewhere in Svalbard away from the pandemic, studying ants or whatever it is you do...;)

Btw, Norway is an odd exception regarding guns and violence I'd say, hence Breivik and all that mess. Apparently he bought semi-automatic weapons legally...:/

I wouldn't know the first thing about buying a gun in Croatia. Although plenty of people get killed by guns there every year. I always figure it's just a remnant of the war. :/

lol

Hey tore! Long long long time no see! How are ya bud?
I agree with you re hunting; it's an excuse or justification for owning weapons, though what exactly you're going to hunt with an assault rifle I don't know. Maybe them deer is banding together and getting real scary?

:ar_15s: Gun Laws by State :bringit:

Saying Florida has an open carry ban is a bit misleading because you’re allowed to carry it in your holster. Florida also has some of the most liberal laws in the country concerning when deadly force is acceptable.

Maybe if the gun is holstered it's considered concealed carry under Florida law?

You hunt soldiers and cops.

Yeah.

I think both open carry and concealed carry should be fine but that’s it.

I think open carry is safer. If someone knows in advance they’re less likely to start **** that gets people shot.

Wut?

That's what you hunt with an assault rifle.

Oh right. I thought you were accusing me, or the Irish in general, of hunting soldiers and cops.

Nah the Irish already showed themselves to be pretty inept at that.

I blame the sixteen pints of Guinness consumed before every hunt.

Thanks guys :D

It's such a long time since I was a regular here, I've since relocated and have advanced well into a wholly different career path. I now have a middle manager position in the municipality where we live which is far south of Svalbard. I also have a house (with a recording studio) and two kids now and life is generally good :) Covid sucks, but with my introvert leanings, I personally am doing just fine.

How are you guys doing?

I don't know much about Breivik, but I guess he was a psychopath living in a fantasy/conspiracy world.. absolutely nuts. I think he used a semi-automatic commonly used for hunting and it's been discussed politically whether semi-automatic weapons for the use of hunting should be banned.

I wouldn't mind. When do you need semi-automatics for hunting? I may be an idiot when it comes to hunting, but to my mind an old fashioned shotgun covers ptarmigan/fowl and variations on the bolt action rifle covers the rest. What else do you need?

I know there's been a couple of TV series covering the Breivik events, but I haven't quite found the motivation to watch them yet even if I feel I should.