The Eagles don’t have much to do with the Beatles.

then what's the point of the comparison?

Exactly!!!

you nailed it.

That although Bikini Kill is a great band that’s where they stand in relation to Sonic Youth - both stylistically and in terms of importance.

Not liking the Eagles is about the same as not liking Bikini Kill.

As a listener if you like punk but not the Eagles what you really like is the idea of punk and not the idea of the Eagles. The Eagles have great songs. If you can’t see that then you need to take off your blinders.

that's the most short-sighted take on music I've ever seen of you, I'm actually surprised. Bikini Kill changed a whole genre of music in a profound way and helped open it up for many others. They spawned their own important sub genre in punk, which eventually transcended punk thanks to Kathleen Hanna

I’m not ignoring you. I just think you’ve heard the songs. If they don’t resonate with you then fine. They’re in the same family of artists though.

I’m well aware of who they are and what they did. Are you really aware of what the Eagles are and what they did?

About the same as Outlaws and Steely Dan.

Weaksauce, don't try to dodge my argument
also biatch, you didn't know **** about Bikini Kill before I came here

It'll probably get worse before it gets better, but **** yes.

Bikini Kill didn’t add anything more to punk than Steely Dan did to classic rock.

The truth is, Bikini Kill is a great band but you overrate them because you find them relatable. I’m not dodging your argument. I’m explaining to you that Bikini Kill weren’t anywhere close to being punk pioneers.

Uh, I literally lived in PNW and watched that entire movement grow in real time as it happened. I knew what they doing over in Olympia and gave it the attention it deserved.

I revisited it because of you, that’s true, but AFAIK you never even saw them live.

Hey, when among your favourite bands are Bon Jovi, ELO, The Eagles (!), Genesis and The Alan Parsons Project, you learn pretty quickly that people are going to slag you over what they consider your "poor music taste". But I don't hold it against them: they can be into what they want to be into and I won't condemn them for that. By the same token they shouldn't be able to condemn me for being into, say, Bon Jovi or Journey. They can, but it's raining and I'm a duck these days.

This is why I date my MB membership from 2011 even though I officially joined in 2008. I got so upset with people being "mean" to me that I left for three years. When I came back I was clad in the armour of IDGAF, and it's served me well.
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Yeah you're unlikely to find an Eagles song that suddenly makes you see the light. You either like them or you don't. If you've heard any of their hits, nobody here is going to be able to change your mind if you don't like them.
This is kind of the same argument Marie is making when saying punks hated The Eagles but not CSNY; just because you liked the band doesn't remove them from being in the same general sphere as Eagles. I love Genesis, but would never for a moment contest the idea that they were a major target of the punk movement. You can't pick and choose: if it's country rock then it's all country rock, or Americana, or roots rock, or whatever the damn hell you want to call it.

No, I don't. They absolutely were punk pioneers; you underrate their importance to (especially) female punk.
If you had given them attention then you'd have given them their due. You lived there (you're implying you even saw them live) and still managed to miss the point of riot grrrl; you literally said that you had overlooked Bikini Kill when you actually discovered they were good because I keep fangirling over them.
And whether I've seen Bikini Kill live or not is just a nonsense argument

Anytime anyone challenges OH on music he turns into Reese Witherspoon asking a cop "Do you know who I am?"

...and starts being patronising. Im ExPLaInIng To YoU

Well you are a girl, and girls are liable to listen to music wrong by relating to artists.

If only we approached things in a more analytical way and didn't always follow our emotions

That does make it hard to give a **** about the Eagles.

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I should’ve paid more attention but there was all kinds of stuff going on back then. I knew what Olympia was about, kids who didn’t have pay their own rent and treated townies like **** and all dressed in a ****ing uniform, and they just weren’t pioneers. They were better than I realized at the time but they weren’t the most important thing going on and I had to pay for every record back then. I’m pretty sure I saw all those Riot Grrrl bands from that scene. I went to every punk rock show that came to town.

****ing Cop Shoot Cop was a standout show. The Dwarves blew the living **** out of every Riot Grrrl band put together in ten seconds of live performance. ****ing hip hop. Trip hop. There was more radical **** happening. Wilder shows.

Tbh, if you’re lucky and wise enough to learn

Totally true. Any genre.

And yeah... having actually been to Woodstock is better than having seen the movie Woodstock.

I’ve read volumes of people’s reactions and experiences with those early jazz guys live since seeing as I don’t have a time machine I understand that they did something I can never do.

^duh. That doesn't make your argument less nonsense
That just shows you don't understand why Bikini Kill were pioneers. It's not about being the first women in punk, or having the wildest shows. You just happen not to care about what they were pioneering
Luckily I'm wise enough to learn to tell you when to shut up

Honestly, would you like them if they were all boys?

Where else could a thread dedicated to good news divert into a discussion on the Eagles and then turn into a fight between Marie and Hawk over Bikini Kill? Ladies and gentlebeings, I give you, Music Banter, alive and well! :laughing:

yes. If you ask that, don't think your idea of what I think of Bikini Kill is accurate at all.

I like both bands a lot. I just understand where they belong big picture wise and some people are sensitive about their ignorance.

That's just dishonest projection. I'm very comfortable with my relative musical ignorance here and you know it. But based on what you've posted about riot grrrl you are missing the point of it partly, so you don't fully understand.

Maybe I should reread your journal? No sarcasm

nah my journal fangirl scribbles aren't anywhere near that insightful

I’m pretty sure I have a correct picture of where they rank in the punk pantheon

Neither of you know **** outside of your tiny little me boxes

Both of your tastes are so niche that how could possibly think you can talk big picture

Too bad you’ll never know what it was like.

bUt We'vE NevEr SeEn TheM iN CoNcErT
Hawk gatekeeping both riot grrrl and the Big Picture lol
if only the big picture he's seeing were a map because he's lost

You’ll never be a part of a punk scene because they don’t exist anymore.

So you talking about punk devouring people completely is something that is literally impossible for you to experience.

How many lines of musical influence do you think you’re capable of making from the early Renaissance to now all genres and how do you think that number compares to mine? Do you really think you know music history like I do?

Bro you're a weird loser who spent all your time listening to music cause you can't relate to people. It's not an accomplishment. It's just how you killed time. Stop acting acting like anyone should give a ****.