Joe Biden Love Thread

[rubber soul]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

And replaced with what? You only have currently a choice of two (since 1776 I think but someone better versed in American history may tell me I'm wrong).

There have been third party candidates in the past, most successfully, Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party in 1912. He didn't win but he did garner more votes and electoral votes than the Republican incumbent, William Howard Taft. Others who ran haven't been as successful, but a few have been able to influence the election for the eventual winner (Wallace for Nixon, Nader for Bush).

We have plenty of various political parties in the US, but the Dems and GOP have had a lock on the populace (mostly by raising money) for well over a hundred years now. I think people really want a Centrist party since neither party is willing to nominate someone closer to the center (say what you will about Biden, but, trust me, he does swing left). Unfortunately, the major parties have always found a way to keep the other parties out.

Would be interesting to see a Manchin or even a Romney run as an independent. Don't think either could win, but they could possibly make some noise, much like Ross Perot did in 1992. (And, to a lesser extent, 1996).

[Frownland]

Centrism is just code for capitulation to fascism. We already have enough of that.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by rubber soul

There have been third party candidates in the past, most successfully, Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party in 1912. He didn't win but he did garner more votes and electoral votes than the Republican incumbent, William Howard Taft. Others who ran haven't been as successful, but a few have been able to influence the election for the eventual winner (Wallace for Nixon, Nader for Bush).

We have plenty of various political parties in the US, but the Dems and GOP have had a lock on the populace (mostly by raising money) for well over a hundred years now. I think people really want a Centrist party since neither party is willing to nominate someone closer to the center (say what you will about Biden, but, trust me, he does swing left). Unfortunately, the major parties have always found a way to keep the other parties out.

Would be interesting to see a Manchin or even a Romney run as an independent. Don't think either could win, but they could possibly make some noise, much like Ross Perot did in 1992. (And, to a lesser extent, 1996).

That's it! Pack it up and go home, boys. We did it. We found the worst take.

[rubber soul]

One of the unfortunate lesson of politics is you can't get everything you want, so you take what you can.

[Frownland]

Does anyone really want what we're getting out of modern politics though? We should at least attempt to take what we can instead of undercutting ourselves from the outset.

[SGR]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I don't know anything about crypto. But I'll buy some and give it to you if anyone here has a plan to do more than come up with insults.

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by rubber soul

One of the unfortunate lesson of politics is you can't get everything you want, so you take what you can.

I agree with this, as I imagine rubber soul's "take what you can" has the add on of "by democratic means"

Originally Posted by Frownland

Does anyone really want what we're getting out of modern politics though?

Most Americans and most MBers would presumably answer "No".

We should at least attempt to take what we can instead of undercutting ourselves from the outset.

With your "take what you can", I'm not so sure that it has an add-on of "by democratic means", Frownland, but without that, what is it? A quote from a speech at the Ellipse before storming the Capitol ?

[Frownland]

More or less. Making your voice heard and educating people (maybe yourself) in the process is a pretty essential approach that I was trying to get at. Saying that we both want and can do certain things (or that we refuse to accept others) by directly speaking to your social circle and leaders to familiarize and potentially spread your ideas can be useful. Centrism is not.

I consider the government to be acting counter to democracy while being upheld by these democratic barriers though. The attitude that you take what you get in a time like this is essentially shrugging your shoulders at brownshirts. Like one of them said: "this will always remain one of the best jokes of democracy, that it gave its deadly enemies the means by which it was destroyed."

I think it would be more effective for bad things to happen to billionaires than politicians fwiw.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

The wisdom is this. This 50/50 deadlock only allows a sort of incrimental movement toward a set of twin apocalypses. And it's this minor movement that makes people:

1. Not vote - a la 2000, or 2020 with a "they're all corrupt!" mantra
2. Think that civic engagement doesn't matter
3. Question everything, even beyond government, to include vaccines, wind turbines, change in general

I'm tired of trying to save these morons from themselves. I want DeSantis in. Let him stack the court until only reform is realistic. Let him repeal every COVID public health measure. I'll hang inside another 6 months and let the next variant wipe out entire industries to the point that we're begging south america to send people. Let the Handmaids Tale party allow for bounty hunters to kill unwed women over 40 as spinster whores.

One of two outcomes occurs. The Country sinks, or the "I just wish politics wasn't so nasty" crowd has to make a choice. This country is beyond saving. And anti-vaxx freakshow doesn't deserve any protection. I want them to ship more Midwestern jobs overseas, and allow them to have bazookas, and classify birth control as a Class A substance.

If people didn't wake up when they made it illegal to give water to people waiting to vote

If people didn't wake up when we hit 800,000 COVID deaths

If people didn't wake up when the 5th review of the Arizona recount confirmed a Biden win

If people didn't wake up when yet another hurricane takes out Texas or Florida, then **** 'em. If the choice is give us liberty or give us death, I choose death.

Bolded: if this isn't just you trolling (and you aren't known for that so I don't think it is) it comes across as monumentally selfish, man. You're pissed off so let everyone die? You'll stay inside while those around you pop off, and hope everything will be better when you come out? You may choose death but you're not entitled to choose it for everyone else. I have to say, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you had more moral fibre than that.

Originally Posted by Psy-Fi

Trump says he's 'very appreciative' and 'surprised' Biden thanked previous administration for helping make the COVID vaccine available to the public

Trump says "we must heal"? Have I just fallen into an alternate universe???

Originally Posted by rubber soul

There have been third party candidates in the past, most successfully, Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party in 1912. He didn't win but he did garner more votes and electoral votes than the Republican incumbent, William Howard Taft. Others who ran haven't been as successful, but a few have been able to influence the election for the eventual winner (Wallace for Nixon, Nader for Bush).

We have plenty of various political parties in the US, but the Dems and GOP have had a lock on the populace (mostly by raising money) for well over a hundred years now. I think people really want a Centrist party since neither party is willing to nominate someone closer to the center (say what you will about Biden, but, trust me, he does swing left). Unfortunately, the major parties have always found a way to keep the other parties out.

Would be interesting to see a Manchin or even a Romney run as an independent. Don't think either could win, but they could possibly make some noise, much like Ross Perot did in 1992. (And, to a lesser extent, 1996).

I'm gonna end up engaging your services at some point for my history of America journal. You certainly seem to have compacted all your excrement into one large mass in the one place.

[rubber soul]

American history, particularly Presidential history, is something of a hobby of mine.