Trumpery!

Psy-Fi · 11-22-2021, 04:34 PM

If Trump Were a Martial Artist

Trollheart · 11-22-2021, 06:56 PM

I agree. SGR that was absolutely excellent. Got the spirit of Trump to a, well, T. Wonderful job. And sadly, probably not at all far from what he would say.

Lisnaholic · 11-23-2021, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SGR

Trump is awarded an honorary black belt by South Korean president of taekwondo - and pledges to wear the full martial arts suit in U.S. Congress if he makes it back to the White House

"Don't give away the farm!"

Notice the photo on the wall? It celebrates the time when Trump upgraded Kim Jung Un from pariah to equal, and bragged about how they fell in love. What consessions did the US get from bestowing this approval on KJU ? Nothing. All America's nuanced -and persuasive- levels of diplomatic recognition were given away, not to the benefit of the US, but to give Trump a photo op.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2021, 07:25 AM

I think his policy on NK wasn't any worse than the status quo

The idea it somehow gave Kim any sort of international legitimacy is a mindless hawkish talking point to me. The main grievance is that they aren't any closer to disarming which decades of sanctions have proven isn't going to happen anyway...

Lisnaholic · 11-23-2021, 07:54 AM

Yes, perhaps I was exaggerating, and just going along with the outrage of traditional diplomats without thinking it through.
AFAIK, love letters or sanctions: neither have much altered how things stand with NK. Kim Jung Un hasn't been invited to the G7 summits or any similar international events yet, so despite that little flurry of friendly gestures, it's back to business as usual.

The Batlord · 11-23-2021, 01:04 PM

If Trump was actually any threat to the status quo he would have been JFK'd.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2021, 01:05 PM

Status quo as in foreign policy wise.... On that one particular issue

Lisnaholic · 11-23-2021, 04:05 PM

On the world stage, democratic countries have a disadvantage over dictatorships, don't they?
They sit down at an international conference, and other countries are like "Sure, ok, until you are out of power in 4 years time"

On NK, Trump's gesture hasn't had much impact or follow-through, but pulling out of the Paris Agreement (i) slowed down progress and (ii) made other countries jittery.
Depends on the next election if Trump's position on climate* was a temporary blip in US policy or the outlier of things to come.
My extremely partial advice is "Save the planet - vote Democrat"

* Remember how the EPA was forbidden to use phrases like "global warming"? I'm guessing that ban on even the language of honest analysis has been repealed.

The Batlord · 11-23-2021, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Status quo as in foreign policy wise.... On that one particular issue

Nah I mean in general. Now, that's the status quo as far as capital and their political lapdogs care, I'm sure they can only care so much about upsetting the proles, and once Stop the Steal and Jan 6 happened he was already on his way out so who cares.

The Batlord · 11-23-2021, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

On the world stage, democratic countries have a disadvantage over dictatorships, don't they?
They sit down at an international conference, and other countries are like "Sure, ok, until you are out of power in 4 years time"

On NK, Trump's gesture hasn't had much impact or follow-through, but pulling out of the Paris Agreement (i) slowed down progress and (ii) made other countries jittery.
Depends on the next election if Trump's position on climate* was a temporary blip in US policy or the outlier of things to come.
My extremely partial advice is "Save the planet - vote Democrat"

* Remember how the EPA was forbidden to use phrases like "global warming"? I'm guessing that ban on even the language of honest analysis has been repealed.

It wasn't a blip in the radar, it was basically business as usual just with the mask off. Our politicians and capitalists have been knowingly murdering the planet for decades before Trump ever showed up, they just talk around it. They're not gonna save you, dude, so stop putting any faith in them. They care about money and power and everything else is dead last.

11-22-2021, 06:56 PM	#222 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	I agree. SGR that was absolutely excellent. Got the spirit of Trump to a, well, T. Wonderful job. And sadly, probably not at all far from what he would say. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

11-23-2021, 07:54 AM	#225 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Yes, perhaps I was exaggerating, and just going along with the outrage of traditional diplomats without thinking it through. AFAIK, love letters or sanctions: neither have much altered how things stand with NK. Kim Jung Un hasn't been invited to the G7 summits or any similar international events yet, so despite that little flurry of friendly gestures, it's back to business as usual. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

11-23-2021, 04:05 PM	#228 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	On the world stage, democratic countries have a disadvantage over dictatorships, don't they? They sit down at an international conference, and other countries are like "Sure, ok, until you are out of power in 4 years time" On NK, Trump's gesture hasn't had much impact or follow-through, but pulling out of the Paris Agreement (i) slowed down progress and (ii) made other countries jittery. Depends on the next election if Trump's position on climate* was a temporary blip in US policy or the outlier of things to come. My extremely partial advice is "Save the planet - vote Democrat" * Remember how the EPA was forbidden to use phrases like "global warming"? I'm guessing that ban on even the language of honest analysis has been repealed. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

11-23-2021, 07:25 AM	#224 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I think his policy on NK wasn't any worse than the status quo The idea it somehow gave Kim any sort of international legitimacy is a mindless hawkish talking point to me. The main grievance is that they aren't any closer to disarming which decades of sanctions have proven isn't going to happen anyway...

11-23-2021, 01:05 PM	#227 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Status quo as in foreign policy wise.... On that one particular issue