Should Felons be allowed to own guns?

SGR · 08-23-2020, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Another pertinent question: Should felons be able to own dogs to protecr themselves?

Hell no! We have to draw the line somewhere.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Hell no! We have to draw the line somewhere.

It’s not felons in particular but the wrong people have too many dogs.

SGR · 08-23-2020, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It’s not felons in particular but the wrong people have too many dogs.

I'd say the real problem is that the wrong people have too many kids.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

I'd say the real problem is that the wrong people have too many kids.

I’d love to see a ten year world-wide no exceptions ban on breeding people.

Neapolitan · 08-23-2020, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Nea -I definitely think it’s more important to regulate who owns dogs than guns.

Puppy mills, or people who don't take care of their pets?

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Puppy mills, or people who don't take care of their pets?

Both.

Lisnaholic · 08-23-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Damn was hoping for some pushback. Fail thread. Unless maybe elph??

Well, I'd def push back on the idea that felons should be allowed access to guns, even if it means going against two of my fave mods:-

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They should be granted the same rights as any other citizen in all senses, even if that includes the right to impractical modes of self defense.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

No opposition from me either. I'm against gun ownership, but giving felons less civil rights than other people is unethical and just causes more problems in society

My Case: it's not to be vindictive about people who have paid their debt to society, it's about the notion that a person has shown themselves capable of a felony.
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noun
a crime, typically one involving violence, regarded as more serious than a misdemeanor, and usually punishable by imprisonment for more than one year or by death.

Plenty of people are released from prison with almost full rights, but plus some restrictions. I suspect that some aren't allowed passports; someone who constructed a bomb is prob barred from working in the chemicals industry. Pedafiles aren't allowed near schools and have to register address changes, some people have long-term restraining orders, etc, etc.

I'm in favour of giving felons a fair second chance, but losing the right to bear arms is not much of an impedement to leading a normal life imo.

**Frownland** · 08-23-2020, 05:33 PM

We're all capable of felonies.

Restricting the rights of felons assigns them to a lifelong second class citizenry, and recidivism is a symptom of our flawed prison system used to blame felons for being "unfixable". The biggest criticism I see against it is part of a larger discussion about how valuable gun rights are.

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

If you're looking for pushback perhaps the better question is should people with mental illness(es) be allowed to own guns? Where would those lines be drawn?

Or you could borrow my favorite litmus test - if we eat meat and are able to do so because of the concept that the animals we eat lack sentience, shouldn't we be allowed to eat r-worded people?

nah cause I don't have a good argument for giving crazy people guns

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Originally Posted by elphenor

depends on the crime they committed? case by case?

I'm more against Dads and the Castle Doctrine

I remember Chula and OH both having sexual fantasies about some desperate junkie breaking in so they could get (1) murder for free

the first part of your post seems unrelated to the second. There are plenty of non felons who are eager to play cowboy. Which crimes do you think would make one more inclined to over zealously kill home invaders?

If we were going crime by crime the only category of people who pose a significant risk with a gun are people with domestic violence charges. Those are the types to kill their wife with a legal gun and end up eating the charges.

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Well, I'd def push back on the idea that felons should be allowed access to guns, even if it means going against two of my fave mods:-

My Case: it's not to be vindictive about people who have paid their debt to society, it's about the notion that a person has shown themselves capable of a felony.
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So fundamentally you don't believe in the possibility of rehabilitation.

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Plenty of people are released from prison with almost full rights, but plus some restrictions. I suspect that some aren't allowed passports; someone who constructed a bomb is prob barred from working in the chemicals industry. Pedafiles aren't allowed near schools and have to register address changes, some people have long-term restraining orders, etc, etc.

I'm in favour of giving felons a fair second chance, but losing the right to bear arms is not much of an impedement to leading a normal life imo.

in the case of pedophiles and schools etc there's an obvious added risk involved - to a certain extent they are dealing with psychological issues and it's best to avoid triggering a relapse into bad behavior, the same way alcoholics avoid bars.

Felons with legal guns don't pose an obvious enough risk to strip them of a basic right guaranteed in the bill of rights. For reasons I explained above, gun crimes are much more likely to be committed with illegal guns because legal ones can be traced through ballistic forensics. And only a fraction of the felons are even gun crime offenders in the first place. Out of those... The gang killings are carried out almost exclusively with illegal guns. Domestic crimes sometimes involve legal guns but that group has a really low recitivism rate.

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