2020 US Election Thread

[The Batlord]

You know you can be a filthy Marxist while still having realistic ideas about what's politically possible right? You don't have to turn into a reactionary liberal who'll give a Republican a hand job just to spite the Left.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You know you can be a filthy Marxist while still having realistic ideas about what's politically possible right? You don't have to turn into a reactionary liberal who'll give a Republican a hand job just to spite the Left.

Only after Lenin called Leftist Marxism an infantile disorder. But that's not what I'm taking issue with. It's the problem of every political comment landing squarely between a "joke" and snark. Living in this sort of thought-free twilight where if you're ever called out on it you can cower behind it being a joke and then accuse me of being a reactionary liberal.

If someone is going to be a far-left radical, I don't have an issue with that. And if they're sincere in their positions, and thoughtful about things, I'd ever respect them. I just think most Americans spend more time considering what to eat for lunch than what our national policies should be.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Only after Lenin called Leftist Marxism an infantile disorder. But that's not what I'm taking issue with. It's the problem of every political comment landing squarely between a "joke" and snark. Living in this sort of thought-free twilight where if you're ever called out on it you can cower behind it being a joke and then accuse me of being a reactionary liberal.

I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're referencing here. I'm not on the same side as a weird fascist Leninist like OccultHawk who supports ethnostates and Muslim genocide cause his rightwing beliefs are abhorrent and his leftwing beliefs are LARPing nonsense that rejects anything that isn't violent revolution regardless of the outcome. I don't even know what Frownland ultimately believes cause he's too ironic to ever fully articulate his beliefs. And elphenor is a political fashionista who likes whatever politics his favorite bands like. For myself I just take issue with your siding with electable Democrats seemingly without criticism.

I mean I can understand voting for Biden as opposed to voting for Trump but as far as treating Biden as if he's The Guy as opposed to just the least bad capitalist neoliberal we got the chance to vote for I simply can't understand that.

Like he's probable been the best president we've had in decades but the bar is so low I'm thinking chugging bleach in honor of our last president.

If someone is going to be a far-left radical, I don't have an issue with that. And if they're sincere in their positions, and thoughtful about things, I'd ever respect them. I just think most Americans spend more time considering what to eat for lunch than what our national policies should be.

Well of course the American populace is either drinking some form of poisoned Flavor-Aid or completely disengaged. The concept of class solidarity is purely academic and even if you're hoping that can be sidestepped by an authoritarian vanguard leftist party you're still praying for a miracle.

I don't think anyone here expects anything whatsoever beyond possibly a civil war caused by climate change catastrophe leading to a leftist insurgency dropping Apple store drone bomblets on their government and fascist enemies because we're all fundamentally black pilled.

Personally the only things I hope for is a slowly, slowly evolving labor movement building in response to the failure of neoliberalism and hopefully co-ops introducing the concept of workplace democracy to a wider.populace but I'm pretty sure I was born at least one generation too early to see anything meaningful on those fronts.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't even know what Frownland ultimately believes cause he's too ironic to ever fully articulate his beliefs.

I'm the postmodernist that Jordan Peterson warned you about.

Idk the name for what I am either tbh. Some type of hippie anarcho neomarxism or some ****. If you want to know, some central beliefs I hold are

1. Be excellent to each other.
2. Protect the land and the land protects you.
3. Liars are the worst, especially when they're lying to themselves.
4. People should be able to opt into the systems they participate in.
4.20. Smoke weed every day.
5. Certain forms of grassroots violence to protect all of the above is acceptable. Street brawls are dumb and I reject violence in general. Pacifism does require force to protect peace imo.
6. Federal and global efforts are necessary for disasters, but governments and economies should be localized.
7. A reiteration of 4, but people should do whatever the **** they want without harming others.
8. There are no perfect answers and history should viewed as descriptive guidance as opposed to a set of prescriptive axioms.

I'm sure that thebig3 will give me **** for being "mb-approved" before saying that we should capitulate to fascists for the sake of popular appeal, but thems what I really believe.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

1. Be excellent to each other. - CHECK
2. Protect the land and the land protects you. - CHECK
3. Liars are the worst, especially when they're lying to themselves. - CHECK
4. People should be able to opt into the systems they participate in. - needs more fleshing out to opine.
4.20. Smoke weed every day. - CHECK!!!
5. Certain forms of grassroots violence to protect all of the above is - acceptable. Street brawls are dumb and I reject violence in general. Pacifism does require force to protect peace imo. - CHECK 1, 2, 3
6. Federal and global efforts are necessary for disasters, but governments and economies should be localized. - NO. I'm sick of Utah and Wyoming having such a big say in Federal (my life) policies.
7. A reiteration of 4, but people should do whatever the **** they want without harming others. - CHECK with the caveat of also not harming the community as a whole.
8. There are no perfect answers and history should viewed as descriptive guidance as opposed to a set of prescriptive axioms. - ****ING HELL CHECK.

Cool.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm sure that thebig3 will give me **** for being "mb-approved" before saying that we should capitulate to fascists for the sake of popular appeal, but thems what I really believe.

I think your beliefs are just vague enough that you can always be right, which is its own moral failure, but the idea that because I'm to your alleged Right, I'm somehow a fascist.

That's not just MB approved, it's Internet Approved. Anyone who disagrees with me is Hitler. Someone call Geocities to see if they're owed royalties.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I think your beliefs are just vague enough that you can always be right, which is its own moral failure, but the idea that because I'm to your alleged Right, I'm somehow a fascist.

That's not just MB approved, it's Internet Approved. Anyone who disagrees with me is Hitler. Someone call Geocities to see if they're owed royalties.

You heard it here, folks: Frownland is always right.

I think you're more of an imperialist warmonger than a fascist fwiw.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Frownland

You heard it here, folks: Frownland is always right.

I think you're more of an imperialist warmonger than a fascist fwiw.

Faint praise. I'm sure so many people meet this definition with you that I'm in too big a group to be noticed.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

But you can't eat gun rights, or adding the X to latino.

You can eat deez nutz tho

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Frownland

You can eat deez nutz tho

I think you mean deex nutx you xenophobic pig.

Originally Posted by elphenor

economic liberation means nothing if it excludes minorities

and that's what any right wing populist will aim to do

Then it isn't liberation. Furthermore, and this is just one man's opinion here, you can't even get to liberation for (in this case) the whites without the non-whites. The 1% just plays the Race War card.