2020 US Election Thread

adidasss · 11-07-2020, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I mean I'm all for cutting Trump's head off but America has been a colonial/imperial oppressor and murderer for well over 100 years at this point and is no less of one without Trump so congratulating us on not being giant douchebags anymore is ludicrous. We haven't walked back a single thing we did under Bush Jr. that made us a country of imperialist war criminals and I'm pretty sure we won't now.

I agree with you. The U.S. will continue to be a giant douchebag, as is the tradition, just not quite so toxic (and orange).

TheBig3 · 11-07-2020, 08:11 PM

One of the things I'm interested to see is how the parties will pivot from this.

The Democratic Party hasn't controlled the White House since the Bernie revolution, and in 2018, Bernie was a dominant figure. Assuming the Progressive Left doesn't hemorrhage Congressional members, it might make for a logical shift in how foreign intervention is carried out.

Also, I think there's going to be a lot of Congress taking back power, and a wind-down of Executive power creep. 70-something days until the transfer. We'll see.

The Batlord · 11-07-2020, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

One of the things I'm interested to see is how the parties will pivot from this.

The Democratic Party hasn't controlled the White House since the Bernie revolution, and in 2018, Bernie was a dominant figure. Assuming the Progressive Left doesn't hemorrhage Congressional members, it might make for a logical shift in how foreign intervention is carried out.

Also, I think there's going to be a lot of Congress taking back power, and a wind-down of Executive power creep. 70-something days until the transfer. We'll see.

Bull ****ing god damn **** to all of that cause the Chamber of Commerce switched to the Democratic party so it's just gonna be more Wallstreet dick sucking to keep all that Chamber money.

TheBig3 · 11-07-2020, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Bull ****ing god damn **** to all of that cause the Chamber of Commerce switched to the Democratic party so it's just gonna be more Wallstreet dick sucking to keep all that Chamber money.

Oh right, I forgot you hardliners know the future.

Lisnaholic · 11-07-2020, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I mean I'm all for cutting Trump's head off but America has been a colonial/imperial oppressor and murderer for well over 100 years at this point and is no less of one without Trump so congratulating us on not being giant douchebags anymore is ludicrous.

This I guess, is one element of labelling a country a giant douche-bag, but there are plenty of others. In the last 4 years the US opted out of the Paris Accord and the WHO, they implemented a policy of turning kids into orphans, they elected Trump, they turned the US into one of the most covid-toxic places on the planet, etc, etc.

Those are all douchebag things to do imo, and I hope that starting in January, some of that may be undone. In the meantime I think adidasss is right: 74 million US citizens have said they don't want to be douchebags anymore.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2020, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Also, I think there's going to be a wind-down of Executive power creep.

Based on what?

The Batlord · 11-07-2020, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Oh right, I forgot you hardliners know the future.

I know to follow the money rather than trusting old guys with money to do the right thing. If the Democratic Party is getting Chamber of Commerce money now then the people they're lobbying for (big business) are probably going to get the better end of the stick.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

This I guess, is one element of labelling a country a giant douche-bag, but there are plenty of others. In the last 4 years the US opted out of the Paris Accord and the WHO, they implemented a policy or turning kids into orphans, they elected Trump, they turned the US into one of the most covid-toxic places on the planet, etc, etc.

Those are all douchebag things to do imo, and I hope that starting in January, some of that may be undone. In the meantime I think adidasss is right: 74 million US citizens have said they don't want to be douchebags anymore.

We were an oppressor lording over the 3rd world with aircraft carriers and unfair trade relations for a hundred years before Trump took office. Why don't you ask the Philippines if they think we'll all of a sudden turn out to be good people seeing as they were the first people to see how we dealt with international power and influence and then spent half a century being massacred by us.

~~jwb~~ · 11-07-2020, 08:35 PM

I mean that's the way the world has always been.

Europeans only discovered they were against imperialism once they lost their empires. Coincidence, I'm sure.

The Batlord · 11-07-2020, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Based on what?

Stupidity obviously. The idea of the legislature taking back power when they're already comfortable letting the judiciary handle their lawmaking responsibility so they can scare people into voting for them over judicial appointments is pretty dumb.

~~jwb~~ · 11-07-2020, 08:46 PM

He will probably continue the Obama era legacy in that regard.

Which was hardly lax on executive action

And it's a mistake to think it's wise to try to rewind the clocks and restore congressional power

Congress is increasingly defunct and deferring power to the executive and judicial branches

That's not gonna change

**** the system. **** the 3 branches. **** democracy.

Pack the courts and sign executive orders. Power is all that matters.

11-07-2020, 08:11 PM	#1292 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	One of the things I'm interested to see is how the parties will pivot from this. The Democratic Party hasn't controlled the White House since the Bernie revolution, and in 2018, Bernie was a dominant figure. Assuming the Progressive Left doesn't hemorrhage Congressional members, it might make for a logical shift in how foreign intervention is carried out. Also, I think there's going to be a lot of Congress taking back power, and a wind-down of Executive power creep. 70-something days until the transfer. We'll see.

11-07-2020, 08:35 PM	#1298 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I mean that's the way the world has always been. Europeans only discovered they were against imperialism once they lost their empires. Coincidence, I'm sure.

11-07-2020, 08:46 PM	#1300 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He will probably continue the Obama era legacy in that regard. Which was hardly lax on executive action And it's a mistake to think it's wise to try to rewind the clocks and restore congressional power Congress is increasingly defunct and deferring power to the executive and judicial branches That's not gonna change ** the system. the 3 branches. ** democracy. Pack the courts and sign executive orders. Power is all that matters.