2020 US Election Thread

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Anteater

The Conversation - Why we should be wary of blaming ‘overpopulation’ for the climate crisis

Not interested. The jury is in. **** denialism. I don’t need a documentary or discussion or debate or the world’s largest scientific study to tell me two plus two equals five either.

[Frownland]

You are being a denialist.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

You are being a denialist.

It’s man made. Man. As in mankind. What kind of whackadoo conspiracy theory are you going to tout? Is it aliens? Supernatural? Or is there no environmental problem at all? There’s a population but no population? From every possible angle any dispute is smashed. You might as well try to argue that a triangle doesn’t have three sides. That’s how stupid and hopeless and even meaningless your position is.

[Frownland]

It doesn't fit what the bible says therefore it's a lie.

It doesn't fit into my (misinterpretation of) Malthusian traps (except it absolutely does) therefore it's denialism.

Cause and effect, ya know

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

What is your feasible goal for overcoming the money being put forth by capitalists fighting against climate reform? I mean all these corporations who know about climate change also know about the money being put forth to fight climate change.

So either it's possible to fight climate change and therefore you also have to come up with a way to also fight these corporations or these corporations know that this is all a fool's errand and it doesn't matter what you do. But either way in the best circumstance you have an enemy in these corporations and you need to deal with them. What is your plan for dealing with them? Just having a plan to deal with climate change is at best half the battle.

Like I said our best bet is intensive research and development into the technologies of renewable energy at a sustainable and cost competitive level. This is how you drive the competition out of business. There is nothing they can do about it once the technology is there on offer on the market. The way they will fight back is to prevent any such effort on behalf of the govt to do this research. And they will fight hard. That's why the only path forward is to mount enough political pressure to make it happen anyway. That's the hard part. That's why I said there's nothing easy or even likely about it. I don't see it happening based on the current trajectories. I've just yet to hear of a better approach, as I said.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

It doesn't fit what the bible says therefore it's a lie.

It doesn't fit into my (misinterpretation of) Malthusian traps (except it absolutely does) therefore it's denialism.

Cause and effect ya know

Hi. I don’t want people to be the cause of climate change so I’m going to make up ridiculous and wild theories why people aren’t what they are and that causes don’t have effects.

And if my argument is blunt it’s because it’s obvious you need to be bludgeoned with it. There’s no counter argument.

[Frownland]

Can you restate your argument?

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by jwb

Like I said our best bet is intensive research and development into the technologies of renewable energy at a sustainable and cost competitive level. This is how you drive the competition out of business. There is nothing they can do about it once the technology is there on offer on the market. The way they will fight back is to prevent any such effort on behalf of the govt to do this research. And they will fight hard. That's why the only path forward is to mount enough political pressure to make it happen anyway. That's the hard part. That's why I said there's nothing easy or even likely about it. I don't see it happening based on the current trajectories. I've just yet to hear of a better approach, as I said.

Hi. I’m being rational. That makes me correct. Derp derp.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Can you restate your argument?

There’s no fixing this **** with 7.5 billion people on the planet.

[Frownland]

Pretty sure that these are universally recognized as mitigation efforts for our most rapidly destructive habits. Your obsession is irrelevant tbh.