2020 US Election Thread

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by jwb

Yeh I'm aware

But honestly it doesn't matter. The choice is clear. It's a yes/no vote on fascism and anyone who doesn't see that at this point is either a deluded Trump loyalist or one of those mysteriously stupid undecided-a-month-before-the-****ing-election voters.

At this point you’re either campaigning on environmental devastation or you’re not. Nobody is more fascist than Mother Nature. Global warning and the sixth extinction won’t stop if we’re still governed by a capitalist. If only we were so fortunate to live in a situation where old school fascism even mattered.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

At this point you’re either campaigning on environmental devastation or you’re not. Nobody is more fascist than Mother Nature. Global warning and the sixth extinction won’t stop if we’re still governed by a capitalist. If only we were so fortunate to live in a situation where old school fascism even mattered.

If we really cared about the environment we'd be voting for these guys.

[OccultHawk]

It’s better than wasting your vote on Biden.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

At this point you’re either campaigning on environmental devastation or you’re not. Nobody is more fascist than Mother Nature. Global warning and the sixth extinction won’t stop if we’re still governed by a capitalist. If only we were so fortunate to live in a situation where old school fascism even mattered.

if you're just gonna give up on humanity sure

The likelihood of a socialist revolution happening quick enough to combat climate change is 0

Either we figure out how to use govt too develope the technology needed to fix it, or we die. It's that simple. If you're ready to die go ahead. I'm not ready yet.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

Yeh I'm aware

But honestly it doesn't matter. The choice is clear. It's a yes/no vote on fascism and anyone who doesn't see that at this point is either a deluded Trump loyalist or one of those mysteriously stupid undecided-a-month-before-the-****ing-election voters.

I thought you were against calling Trump a fascist.

[jwb]

I said if he steals the election then I will change my mind


I'm convinced he's intent on stealing it at this point

[The Batlord]

So was your point that I'm vaguely remembering that Trump does not have the power of a fascist dictator and it's therefore irrational to call him neo-Hitler? I'm not try ing to call you out but this does seem to me like a turnaround.

[jwb]

It is sorta a turnaround. I would still maintain America isn't a Fascist dictatorship, which was the main argument we had. I always said Trump does have fascist tendencies but lacks the power of a dictator. Which is still technically true.

But I'm far less confident than I was in the ability of our institutions to prevent him from seizing power. In addition the fact that we rely on said institutions to prevent him from gaining said power is in itself enough to make it a vote against fascism.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by jwb

if you're just gonna give up on humanity sure

The likelihood of a socialist revolution happening quick enough to combat climate change is 0

Either we figure out how to use govt too develope the technology needed to fix it, or we die. It's that simple. If you're ready to die go ahead. I'm not ready yet.

There’s no possibility of survival under capitalism. A system predicated on growth in by definition unsustainable. Giving up on an alternative to capitalism is giving up all hope and surrendering to the consequences. The likelihood that technology is going to fix it is 0. The sixth extinction includes us. If you’re ready to die go ahead.

[jwb]

I'm not saying you can't aim to replace capitalism long term but you can't wait for the revolution to happen to address climate change.

It requires drastic action within the next few decades.

Can you seriously tell me you see a plausible scenario where capitalism is replaced by a self sufficient socialism on a global scale which is also carbon neutral within the next 30 years?

It's time to get real if you give half a **** about climate change