2020 US Election Thread

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

But what of the Thetan menace?

Does that have anything to do with the Tholians and their Tholian webs?

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I think your details might be relevant to an election but miss the forest for the trees because they ignore what the actual problem is. I also think you're a gatekeeping bitch for insisting on me having a tree debate. I don't claim to know all the specifics of election politics but the larger problem is pretty clear and you're ignoring it to say CNN round table ****.

I'm a gatekeep bitch because you don't like my opinion? What? Also I don't watch CNN.

Keep in mind on Musicbanter it's real easy to dick-suck the impossible left. For anyone attempting to thread the needle on what's both possible and progress, we have to do more than check-in with our gut.

[The Batlord]

You know you can be a filthy Marxist while still having realistic ideas about what's politically possible right? You don't have to turn into a reactionary liberal who'll give a Republican a hand job just to spite the Left.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I'm a gatekeep bitch because you don't like my opinion? What? Also I don't watch CNN.

What's wrong with CNN? Trollheart and elph are huge, huge fans of it.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

What's wrong with CNN?

They're like looking at Fox in the mirror - not really but I'm sure Trumptards love watching Don Lemon doing his balling every night.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

They're like looking at Fox in the mirror - not really but I'm sure Trumptards love watching Don Lemon doing his balling every night.

I remember before you left you were heavily into the CNN "Russian Collusion" narrative. So doesn't that make them your heroes?

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I remember before you left you were heavily into the CNN "Russian Collusion" narrative. So doesn't that make them your heroes?

Collusion is just another Benghazi or Quid Pro Quo. I don't even know what it's suppose to mean.

Russian interference in the 2016 election, as well as ties between some in Trump's circle with the folks doing it was reported on and covered by all the major networks and newspapers.

What's it got to do with CNN???

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You know you can be a filthy Marxist while still having realistic ideas about what's politically possible right? You don't have to turn into a reactionary liberal who'll give a Republican a hand job just to spite the Left.

Only after Lenin called Leftist Marxism an infantile disorder. But that's not what I'm taking issue with. It's the problem of every political comment landing squarely between a "joke" and snark. Living in this sort of thought-free twilight where if you're ever called out on it you can cower behind it being a joke and then accuse me of being a reactionary liberal.

If someone is going to be a far-left radical, I don't have an issue with that. And if they're sincere in their positions, and thoughtful about things, I'd ever respect them. I just think most Americans spend more time considering what to eat for lunch than what our national policies should be.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Omg do you actually think that's what Trumpism is about? It's about cheap emotional manipulation to give people easy enemies to latch onto the same as any fascist movement. The specifics are only as relevant as they are exploitable even if the specifics are in some way actually relevant and speak to real problems. Protectionism speaks to Trump voters because China provides an easy villain even if deindustrialization is a real problem affecting their lives.

Yeah, that's how they got a typically anti-Semitic base that interchangeably uses Zionism with Judaism to justify their anti-Semitism into siding with Israel even using their conflation of Zionism with Judaism to call people who criticize Israel anti-Semitic.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Only after Lenin called Leftist Marxism an infantile disorder. But that's not what I'm taking issue with. It's the problem of every political comment landing squarely between a "joke" and snark. Living in this sort of thought-free twilight where if you're ever called out on it you can cower behind it being a joke and then accuse me of being a reactionary liberal.

I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're referencing here. I'm not on the same side as a weird fascist Leninist like OccultHawk who supports ethnostates and Muslim genocide cause his rightwing beliefs are abhorrent and his leftwing beliefs are LARPing nonsense that rejects anything that isn't violent revolution regardless of the outcome. I don't even know what Frownland ultimately believes cause he's too ironic to ever fully articulate his beliefs. And elphenor is a political fashionista who likes whatever politics his favorite bands like. For myself I just take issue with your siding with electable Democrats seemingly without criticism.

I mean I can understand voting for Biden as opposed to voting for Trump but as far as treating Biden as if he's The Guy as opposed to just the least bad capitalist neoliberal we got the chance to vote for I simply can't understand that.

Like he's probable been the best president we've had in decades but the bar is so low I'm thinking chugging bleach in honor of our last president.

If someone is going to be a far-left radical, I don't have an issue with that. And if they're sincere in their positions, and thoughtful about things, I'd ever respect them. I just think most Americans spend more time considering what to eat for lunch than what our national policies should be.

Well of course the American populace is either drinking some form of poisoned Flavor-Aid or completely disengaged. The concept of class solidarity is purely academic and even if you're hoping that can be sidestepped by an authoritarian vanguard leftist party you're still praying for a miracle.

I don't think anyone here expects anything whatsoever beyond possibly a civil war caused by climate change catastrophe leading to a leftist insurgency dropping Apple store drone bomblets on their government and fascist enemies because we're all fundamentally black pilled.

Personally the only things I hope for is a slowly, slowly evolving labor movement building in response to the failure of neoliberalism and hopefully co-ops introducing the concept of workplace democracy to a wider.populace but I'm pretty sure I was born at least one generation too early to see anything meaningful on those fronts.