2020 US Election Thread

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I'm a gatekeep bitch because you don't like my opinion? What? Also I don't watch CNN.

What's wrong with CNN? Trollheart and elph are huge, huge fans of it.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

What's wrong with CNN?

They're like looking at Fox in the mirror - not really but I'm sure Trumptards love watching Don Lemon doing his balling every night.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

They're like looking at Fox in the mirror - not really but I'm sure Trumptards love watching Don Lemon doing his balling every night.

I remember before you left you were heavily into the CNN "Russian Collusion" narrative. So doesn't that make them your heroes?

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I remember before you left you were heavily into the CNN "Russian Collusion" narrative. So doesn't that make them your heroes?

Collusion is just another Benghazi or Quid Pro Quo. I don't even know what it's suppose to mean.

Russian interference in the 2016 election, as well as ties between some in Trump's circle with the folks doing it was reported on and covered by all the major networks and newspapers.

What's it got to do with CNN???

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You know you can be a filthy Marxist while still having realistic ideas about what's politically possible right? You don't have to turn into a reactionary liberal who'll give a Republican a hand job just to spite the Left.

Only after Lenin called Leftist Marxism an infantile disorder. But that's not what I'm taking issue with. It's the problem of every political comment landing squarely between a "joke" and snark. Living in this sort of thought-free twilight where if you're ever called out on it you can cower behind it being a joke and then accuse me of being a reactionary liberal.

If someone is going to be a far-left radical, I don't have an issue with that. And if they're sincere in their positions, and thoughtful about things, I'd ever respect them. I just think most Americans spend more time considering what to eat for lunch than what our national policies should be.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Omg do you actually think that's what Trumpism is about? It's about cheap emotional manipulation to give people easy enemies to latch onto the same as any fascist movement. The specifics are only as relevant as they are exploitable even if the specifics are in some way actually relevant and speak to real problems. Protectionism speaks to Trump voters because China provides an easy villain even if deindustrialization is a real problem affecting their lives.

Yeah, that's how they got a typically anti-Semitic base that interchangeably uses Zionism with Judaism to justify their anti-Semitism into siding with Israel even using their conflation of Zionism with Judaism to call people who criticize Israel anti-Semitic.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Only after Lenin called Leftist Marxism an infantile disorder. But that's not what I'm taking issue with. It's the problem of every political comment landing squarely between a "joke" and snark. Living in this sort of thought-free twilight where if you're ever called out on it you can cower behind it being a joke and then accuse me of being a reactionary liberal.

I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're referencing here. I'm not on the same side as a weird fascist Leninist like OccultHawk who supports ethnostates and Muslim genocide cause his rightwing beliefs are abhorrent and his leftwing beliefs are LARPing nonsense that rejects anything that isn't violent revolution regardless of the outcome. I don't even know what Frownland ultimately believes cause he's too ironic to ever fully articulate his beliefs. And elphenor is a political fashionista who likes whatever politics his favorite bands like. For myself I just take issue with your siding with electable Democrats seemingly without criticism.

I mean I can understand voting for Biden as opposed to voting for Trump but as far as treating Biden as if he's The Guy as opposed to just the least bad capitalist neoliberal we got the chance to vote for I simply can't understand that.

Like he's probable been the best president we've had in decades but the bar is so low I'm thinking chugging bleach in honor of our last president.

If someone is going to be a far-left radical, I don't have an issue with that. And if they're sincere in their positions, and thoughtful about things, I'd ever respect them. I just think most Americans spend more time considering what to eat for lunch than what our national policies should be.

Well of course the American populace is either drinking some form of poisoned Flavor-Aid or completely disengaged. The concept of class solidarity is purely academic and even if you're hoping that can be sidestepped by an authoritarian vanguard leftist party you're still praying for a miracle.

I don't think anyone here expects anything whatsoever beyond possibly a civil war caused by climate change catastrophe leading to a leftist insurgency dropping Apple store drone bomblets on their government and fascist enemies because we're all fundamentally black pilled.

Personally the only things I hope for is a slowly, slowly evolving labor movement building in response to the failure of neoliberalism and hopefully co-ops introducing the concept of workplace democracy to a wider.populace but I'm pretty sure I was born at least one generation too early to see anything meaningful on those fronts.

[Lisnaholic]

My post from 5 days ago:-

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Without my old ally, Chula Vista, I try not get too caught up in these Dem vs GOP threads; I don't want to be some shrill, alarmist outsider, but I gotta say .......

Is that how it works? You just mention a old MBer, and five days later he turns up in the same thread? That's a detail that should be added to the "MB Functions You Never Knew Existed" thread.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't even know what Frownland ultimately believes cause he's too ironic to ever fully articulate his beliefs.

I'm the postmodernist that Jordan Peterson warned you about.

Idk the name for what I am either tbh. Some type of hippie anarcho neomarxism or some ****. If you want to know, some central beliefs I hold are

1. Be excellent to each other.
2. Protect the land and the land protects you.
3. Liars are the worst, especially when they're lying to themselves.
4. People should be able to opt into the systems they participate in.
4.20. Smoke weed every day.
5. Certain forms of grassroots violence to protect all of the above is acceptable. Street brawls are dumb and I reject violence in general. Pacifism does require force to protect peace imo.
6. Federal and global efforts are necessary for disasters, but governments and economies should be localized.
7. A reiteration of 4, but people should do whatever the **** they want without harming others.
8. There are no perfect answers and history should viewed as descriptive guidance as opposed to a set of prescriptive axioms.

I'm sure that thebig3 will give me **** for being "mb-approved" before saying that we should capitulate to fascists for the sake of popular appeal, but thems what I really believe.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Is that how it works? You just mention a old MBer, and five days later he turns up in the same thread?

Shhhhhhh!!