2020 US Election Thread

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I've never watched the West Wing.

Thank you for addressing the joke portion of my post. I am now convinced that technocratic liberalalism will solve the problem of political polarization. Avoiding the issue will simply calm the right down.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Thank you for addressing the joke portion of my post. I am now convinced that technocratic liberalalism will solve the problem of political polarization. Avoiding the issue will simply calm the right down.

I explained in detail why i thought the GOP would lose in 2022. You replied with "The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path." So aside from not even being an appropriate response, it was very light on details as to which plan you thought would work.

And now you come here and say I'm avoiding the details.

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Generally yes because third party candidates don't have wildly different positions on most of the issues. It tends to be on ONE issue and the rest are fairly comparable. Ross Perot being the only exception really. But what you've got now is a group of people thinking that core things are wrong.

Yes, with Liz Cheney, it may look like a one-issue difference she had about Trump's culpability, but that difference turns into a chasm wide enough to justify forming a new party I would've thought:
Liz Cheney's GOP: disown Trump, fiscally conservative, responding to reality
Actual GOP: chained to Trump, no consistent fiscal policy, chasing election fraud and other conspiracy theories

[rostasi]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

And now you come here and say I'm avoiding the details.

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Many things need to happen before either of these things occur. So answering this wouldn't take into account the 12 steps between now and then.

But what happens to a legislature that bucks the will of 70% of it's population? State Legislators are much closer to the voting public than Congress is.

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[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

The Trump Wing believes in Protectionism, Isolationism, and the more extreme wing of them thinks the Constitution can't work in multicultural nation. Hence the "muh constitution" memes.

Omg do you actually think that's what Trumpism is about? It's about cheap emotional manipulation to give people easy enemies to latch onto the same as any fascist movement. The specifics are only as relevant as they are exploitable even if the specifics are in some way actually relevant and speak to real problems. Protectionism speaks to Trump voters because China provides an easy villain even if deindustrialization is a real problem affecting their lives.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I explained in detail why i thought the GOP would lose in 2022. You replied with "The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path." So aside from not even being an appropriate response, it was very light on details as to which plan you thought would work.

And now you come here and say I'm avoiding the details.

I think your details might be relevant to an election but miss the forest for the trees because they ignore what the actual problem is. I also think you're a gatekeeping bitch for insisting on me having a tree debate. I don't claim to know all the specifics of election politics but the larger problem is pretty clear and you're ignoring it to say CNN round table ****.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Is it my imagination, or do people in the US have the attitude that a third party is unthinkable?

There are parties other than Democrats and Republicans. eg Green Party, Libertarian Party

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yep, they are becoming a party that never do their homework. I was reminded of this today, watching a documentary about the upcoming environmental disaster of California's drought: 21 years of water shortage so far, and set to get worse this year. Failing crops, cattle that can't be maintained: it'll take extraordinary measures to avoid disaster, but are the GOP investigating solutions? No, they are preparing their next speeches about space lasers and planning to block infrastructure spending.

I had to check that. I came across an article, it was posted a few years ago. It did mention CA Republicans had a plan, it passed the state's legislation but was stop in the (state) senate.

[Lisnaholic]

Thanks for the fact checks, Neapolitan!

I wonder when the Californian Republicans had a plan? I hope it's clear that my criticisms of the Republican party are mainly about how it is today. How it was in the past, or how it is at the state level is outside my limited area of knowledge. (Except when Texas pulls a stunt like it is presently trying, to make voting unnecessarily difficult.)

[Neapolitan]

As far as I could ascertain the paln was water for farms. About a month ago (back in April) Republicans were asking for statewide emergency, not just a two county emergency the governor called. Then ~ 19 days later he called for a 41 county emergency. What happen since then I am not sure.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

As far as I could ascertain the paln was water for farms. About a month ago (back in April) Republicans were asking for statewide emergency, not just a two county emergency the governor called. Then ~ 19 days later he called for a 41 county emergency. What happen since then I am not sure.

But what of the Thetan menace?