2020 US Election Thread

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah I get that with jwb like he has no moral stance whatsoever and is just siding with pure pragmatism but still calls out moral stances because they call out his pragmatism as if he's insecure about a moral stance he refuses to take in the first place.

I don't really understand this post at all tbh

I have some morals but they're looser than most people's

I support pragmatism not as an alternative to morality but as a supplement. Results matter. That's the bottom line. Good intentions are nice but not worth jack **** without good results.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't even think it was covered up

it was like "yeah the party is siding with our guy"

no.. . They maintain the front of basic impartiality which was only exposed officially as a farce due to the wikileaks hack. You can try to rewrite history all you want but people were fired over that ****.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I supported Bernie over her

Hillary had a more progressive platform than Obama

don't understand the rabid frothing hatred she inspires tbh

she's not a likable person and she basically represented more of the same **** we saw from 8 years of Obama with some minor tweaks

She's part of an entrenched political crime family that inherited her bid for prez and then half assedly tried to sell it as an underdog story of female empowerment. What's not to get? We didn't like her in 08, we didn't like her in 16, and we don't like her now.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

the wealthy are ****ing children constantly not even conspiratorially

but Hillary is not her husband

we all know that marriage is just optics

...the ****?

The Vatican covering up for pedo priests is also "optics"

You're saying as long as you're only doing it for personal gain that removes your moral culpability???

[jwb]

Nah people were fired cause of what the leaks revealed

I'm not talking about their cyber security people who are responsible for preventing leaks. I'm talking about people who's misconduct was captured by said leaks.

[jwb]

Bill Clinton was charismatic.

Obama was charismatic. He's also a black man which was a more far fetched option for prez than a white woman in 08. Yet he beat her. Despite her shamelessly starting the rumor he was born in Kenya or whatever. Charisma.

Hilary is a ****ing robot. She's transparently fake. And clearly corrupt. She's penetration with no foreplay.

But don't you wanna see a WOMAN president????,

[Marie Monday]

@jwb I think it's bad faith to pretend that her being a woman plays no role (if you're even implying that), it's probably a big part of why she's deemed 'unlikeable', even of why she's not charismatic.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

@jwb I think it's bad faith to pretend that her being a woman plays no role (if you're even implying that), it's probably a big part of why she's deemed 'unlikeable', even of why she's not charismatic.

complete cop out imo

Her being a woman makes some people not like her, true

Guess what? That's a double edged sword. Her being a woman is literally the only thing she had to offer from a progressive pov. That's why it was central to her campaign. Because there's nothing to actually get excited about policy wise. It's just purely the symbolic aspect of having a woman prez. So it's not clear that being a woman hurt her more than it helped her. Besides her gender and her association with Bill, there's nothing that differentiates her from a typical career politician like Biden. She might not even have gotten the nomination without that angle.

As for her being a woman makes her unlikable... Once again complete cop out. AOC is very likable and down to earth. Hilary is stiff, robotic, disingenuous. She panders the way all politicians do but she can't pull it off. You can see right through the facade. See: her phoney black folk accent she adopted when talking to a black crowd. Utterly cringe. Or her comment about keeping a bottle of hot sauce in her purse lmao. You guys can sit here and say I would like her if she wasn't a woman all day long but you're projecting. You wouldn't be defending her if she was a man.

[jwb]

What exactly was so progressive about it? It seemed like a marginal improvement on Obama and that's the campaign platform not what she would've actually done when in office. Plus this was after 8 years of Obama which puts her at an inherent disadvantage. Especially with the amount of discontent in the country at the time and the rise of a candidate on the other side promising something different.

But yeah most people don't vote on policy strictly. They need to like their candidate. She's hard to like.

[OccultHawk]

I really agree with jwb 100% on Hillary.

I think I personally had a visceral reaction to her at a very specific point that touched on the core reason she was and is so despised. You can say no it’s misogyny, misanthropy, or just a hatred for the rich and powerful status quo on my part or sexism and conservative bias on society’s part but I’m quite positive my reaction to her at that time was very widespread and not related to politics at all. It was a big moment but I can’t remember exactly what but something like accepting her nomination at the DNC. You could tell that even she was shocked by how intense the enthusiasm in the room was. These were people that really wanted her to become president. People who felt like her success was their success and a profound universal win for womankind in general. Whether her supporters had valid reasons or not wasn’t what repulsed me so deeply though.

It was her ****ing face. This maniacal hackling grin that clearly betrayed a lust for approval and especially power that looked positively vampiric. She had no ability to feign humility whatsoever. No politician, talk show host, rock star, pro-athlete, kid who just won a national spelling bee... no human being I ever saw came off worse... to me. I’m sure others, deep inside, were more power hungry but no one had ever once appeared more so to me, ever.

There was no way after that that I would ever vote for her. Not against Trump. Not against Hitler. Even if her entire platform had been based on bringing herself and Chelsea down to Florida to suck my dick and give me money I still ... well ... in that case she would’ve had my vote.

But along with other points that jwb has made she was simply intensely unlikeable. Not everybody had that reaction to her and those that didn’t will probably find it inexplicable except by turning it on me but I’m telling you it was some version of that that was widespread enough to cost her the election. My non-policy based reason for HATING her wasn’t unique. Millions of people felt enough of it, just had a negative gut reaction to her that made it impossible to vote for her. Period. No ****ing way.