Hong Kong and China

The Batlord · 08-20-2019, 10:40 PM

Okay, so, would you rather be an American citizen in Washington DC and shout at the top of your lungs "**** Donald Trump!" or would you rather be a Chinese citizen in Beijing and shout at the top of your lungs "**** Xi Jinping!"?

**Frownland** · 08-20-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Hundreds of millions of Chinese have better lives than me.

So no. I’d rather live in Shanghai, for sure.

You wouldn't be able to use Spotify.

Oriphiel · 08-21-2019, 04:59 AM

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America has 5 holocausts under its young belt.

Slavery
Native Genocide
Mexican War
Bikini Atoll
Vietnam Cambodia Laos

America has the highest prison population and prisons that are horrifying and savage by any standard

America’s worst neighborhoods are far more dangerous than anywhere in China

America has the largest nuclear arsenal by far

America has is constantly at war. Endless war is a cornerstone of our foreign policy.

American habits have devastated south and Central America with our endless demand for cocaine, palm oil, and beef.

Africans whose ancestors profited off the slave trade still oppress families that were devastated by kidnapping.

America has singlehandedly caused irreversible damage through green house emmisions

America has the most billionaires which is the direct cause of constant slow moving holocausts like starvation in India, Indonesia and so on and high child mortality rates around the world through malnutrition and dysentery.

America has aggressively made it impossible through intervention for Marxist visions to be realized. In fact, if America wasn’t so obsessed with crushing communism Maoism wouldn’t have been so insanely dogmatic. Same with Stalinism.

America probably has played a greater role in the oppression of the Chinese than the Chinese government. Same with Russia, Cuba and many others.

It’s not even remotely close that America is the greatest menace on the planet and a horrible role model.

The demonstrators in Hong Kong need a genuine vision. From the bottom of my heart I say **** American democracy.

We've been over this, Hawk.

I could post about the mass extermination of native cultures (and not just by Emperor Qin Shi Huangdi), the constant bloody wars (the White Lotus Rebellion alone killed almost as many people as the total sum of combatants slain in World War Two), the culture of extreme poverty and cannibalism (during the extremely brutal Three Kingdoms Period for example, which ended in the death of roughly a third of the total population of the nation, people literally had to eat each other to survive), the hilariously vile efforts of the government to suck every possible resource out of the earth, the mass slavery and violations of human rights (to this day, the government forces people to work on public projects under fear of death. There's a reason why the Great Wall is still considered to be the world's largest graveyard)...

But you would rather Chula it up with your anecdotes.

The USA is still the new kid on the block. China has been ****ing each other over since before humans even had a system of writing to record how ****ed up everything was. You're comparing a slimy young businessman to a ****ing ancientass Heihachi that absolutely crushes anyone that doesn't fall in line. If America is ****ed up, it's 'cause we learned from the best.

OccultHawk · 08-21-2019, 05:50 AM

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We've been over this, Hawk.

I studied Chinese history in college, too.

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Three Kingdoms Period... The Great Wall

Dude, stop.

American capitalism is an existential threat to humanity. The Hong Kong protestors have no vision. I never admitted I was wrong because I’m right.

~~jwb~~ · 08-21-2019, 06:45 AM

Isn't Hong Kong already wealthier and more free than most of China? Why would they want to join them.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I remember on a forum I was on a member moved to China

when he was there he got into a heated argument with another member

as retaliation this guy decided to post a wall of Chinese text criticizing the government to trigger a firewall

we never heard from the guy who moved to China again

He's in the Laogai making Christmas lights right now.

Oriphiel · 08-21-2019, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I studied Chinese history in college, too.

Cool. Then you should know better.

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Dude, stop.

Stop ****ting on your anecdotes with facts? No, I don't think I will.

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American capitalism is an existential threat to humanity.

I've already demonstrated time and again how Chinese capitalism is even more corrupt and unregulated.

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The Hong Kong protestors have no vision.

They just want to be able to make their own decisions. They can work the rest out later.

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I never admitted I was wrong because I’m right.

Did you have a straight face when you typed that, Chules?

Oriphiel · 08-21-2019, 07:31 AM

Seriously though Hawk, I'd expect you of all people to respect the position of Hong Kong, what with your "my home is my castle" rhetoric. They just want everyone to back the **** off for a minute so they can work **** out for themselves.

~~jwb~~ · 08-21-2019, 07:53 AM

At times OH comes across as someone with all the irrationality and dogma of dyed in the wool ideologue but without the internal consistency or coherence that an actual ideology provides.

OccultHawk · 08-21-2019, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Seriously though Hawk, I'd expect you of all people to respect the position of Hong Kong, what with your "my home is my castle" rhetoric. They just want everyone to back the **** off for a minute so they can work **** out for themselves.

They’re capitalist so **** them.

Oriphiel · 08-21-2019, 09:40 AM

"I don't believe in the idea of private ownership of property."

*five minutes later*

"Anybody who touches my **** gon die."

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