Hong Kong and China

**Marie Monday** · 09-08-2020, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

If white people are able to land jobs in China they’re treated like royalty compared to life in America. If you just go there with nothing set up and overstay you’re visa they just throw you out. They don’t lock you in a concentration camp like America does.

Well that's just a consequence of racism

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I’m not even trying to argue the Chinese government isn’t terrifying (right now) but just for an American who works graveyard at 7/11 to say that has a wild misconception of what China really is. They have a middle class the size of America all of whom enjoy a more comfortable existence than a low wage worker in America.

Of course they have a larger middle class, they have way more people. The fair way of comparing is 1. Relative sizes of middle class 2. Quality of life of similar classes

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The internet is censored but you can read whatever you want in print and you can listen to whatever music you like.

But you can't say ****

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As far as their slave factory workers. It’s like pretty much exactly the same as our prison and work release labor. You get put on work release you have absolutely no choice. You HAVE to go to work, often in gulag (and I am NOT being hyperbolic) conditions.

Yeah that's true, I know that

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If you got a job in China with all your language skills if you learned just half ass Chinese you’d have a great life. At least, compared to mine. I’ll admit people would snub you socially or see you just as a foreign pet or novelty and would consider your lesbianism as a strange foreign idiosyncrasy but believe me no one would ever touch you. You could walk through the largest cities in China alone at all hours free of fear of crime. Where I live a woman needs an escort just to walk to her car at night. Wtf kind of freedom is that?

That view on freedom is some Handmaid's Tale ****

OccultHawk · 09-08-2020, 08:15 AM

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Well that's just a consequence of racism

Of course. But a culture that is on its own land that is rightfully theirs and didn’t kidnap Africans to to do their most brutal labor for free - and that goes right up to today didn’t end with Lincoln or any of that bull****- if they like weird white tokenism - as an American am I going to take issue with that?

I knew ex-pats in Japan who had this expectation that Japan should vilify xenophobia as if they have the same sins as we do to atone for.

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Of course they have a larger middle class, they have way more people. The fair way of comparing is 1. Relative sizes of middle class 2. Quality of life of similar classes

ok but elph is saying he’d rather die lol. Half of China would feel sorry for elph.

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But you can't say ****

Circular, but is saying **** getting me anywhere? The first amendment and a nickel doesn’t put a roof over my head. How long ago did MLK die? That’s a lot of sign holding. Hasn’t helped much, has it?

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That view on freedom is some Handmaid's Tale ****

I’ve known two people well, one woman and one man, that were attacked by complete strangers and raped. A girl I knew in junior high was murdered. None of that is fiction.

I doubt you’d be comfortable at all walking around where I live.

I found after growing up in crime-ridden Atlanta living in relatively crime free cultures liberating. Coming back to America it was like practically everyone you meet is uneducated and aggressive.

**Frownland** · 09-08-2020, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Circular, but is saying **** getting me anywhere? The first amendment and a nickel doesn’t put a roof over my head. How long ago did MLK die? That’s a lot of sign holding. Hasn’t helped much, has it?

The Pragmatic Adults have gotten to OH.

OccultHawk · 09-08-2020, 09:12 AM

Just sayin it doesn’t really matter if you’re just sayin

**Frownland** · 09-08-2020, 09:14 AM

True, if it doesn't make you money or Perfectly Solve all problems then surely it's not worth anything.

OccultHawk · 09-08-2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

True, if it doesn't make you money or Perfectly Solve all problems then surely it's not worth anything.

It’s not that it doesn’t solve perfectly; it doesn’t help at all.

**Frownland** · 09-08-2020, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It’s not that it doesn’t solve perfectly; it doesn’t help at all.

Therefore the federal government should restrict it.

SGR · 09-08-2020, 09:32 AM

I thought you supported the current protests, OH?

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Originally Posted by elphenor

in Esports earlier this year a commentator made a Hong Kong joke

every Chinese person in the room ducked their heads instantly because they didn't want to be seen in the same frame as someone even jokingly supporting Hong Kong

terrifying

The NBA was kowtowing to China too. The money's too good.

OccultHawk · 09-08-2020, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

in Esports earlier this year a commentator made a Hong Kong joke

every Chinese person in the room ducked their heads instantly because they didn't want to be seen in the same frame as someone even jokingly supporting Hong Kong

terrifying

I’ve seen the entire faculty of a junior high, about 20% of them black, who wouldn’t dare say a peep about open segregation and bigotry in the school they teach at.

Terrifying

**Frownland** · 09-08-2020, 09:45 AM

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there's not an equivalency here

stop trying

Nah even if he's using it to prop up his nationalist views there's defo an equivalency there.

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