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WWWP 12-02-2018 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by windsock (Post 2020724)
I was mainly pointing out how your logic is a bit slippery slope-ish can be re-appropriated to suit other biology-based mandates separate from the issue of child birth.

However I still find your opinion valuable and I appreciate you verifying it, no matter how much I may disagree.
For sure, and I don't even disagree with you lol.

windsock 12-02-2018 10:32 PM
All we really are are friends in disguise.

OccultHawk 12-02-2018 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2020722)
I don't really subscribe to new wave feminism. I'm anti-procreation as well as antigovernment in general. Getting pregnant is just as bad as getting someone pregnant imo, but when it comes down to it it can only be the choice of the carrier whether to bring it to term.
If the man comes up with his half to pay for the abortion and she still refuses the birth and the child are her fault and should be her responsibility. A perfectly viable alternative was offered. If you refuse to get a flu vaccine it’s your fault when you get the flu. If you have a small malignant mole and you refuse to get it removed don’t come asking for help when it’s full blown cancer. Abortion is 100% effective at curing pregnancy. If the man does his part to get the woman one the child should be her ****ing problem.

WWWP 12-02-2018 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2020763)
If the man comes up with his half to pay for the abortion and she still refuses the birth and the child are her fault and should be her responsibility. A perfectly viable alternative was offered. If you refuse to get a flu vaccine it’s your fault when you get the flu. If you have a small malignant mole and you refuse to get it removed don’t come asking for help when it’s full blown cancer. Abortion is 100% effective at curing pregnancy. If the man does his part to get the woman one the child should be her ****ing problem.
Totally. I agree.

OccultHawk 12-02-2018 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2020765)
Totally. I agree.
Please let’s f uck (elph style)

Lucem Ferre 12-03-2018 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 2020472)
Nah. The man's right to have any say in whether the child gets to exist or not starts and ends with where he blows his load. After that = cry moar.
So the pro lifer argument. Except with a sexist double standard. Interesting.

MicShazam 12-03-2018 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2020770)
So the pro lifer argument. Except with a sexist double standard. Interesting.
It's not sexist. When, as a man, you've done your deed, the rest is happening in the woman's body and is therefore none of your business as the dude who couldn't hold back. You make the decision when you chose to put your spoon in the Mac and Cheese, to borrow a phrase from Mindfulness. You gotta really twist things out of shape to make it sexist.

The Batlord 12-03-2018 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2020763)
If the man comes up with his half to pay for the abortion and she still refuses the birth and the child are her fault and should be her responsibility. A perfectly viable alternative was offered. If you refuse to get a flu vaccine it’s your fault when you get the flu. If you have a small malignant mole and you refuse to get it removed don’t come asking for help when it’s full blown cancer. Abortion is 100% effective at curing pregnancy. If the man does his part to get the woman one the child should be her ****ing problem.
Actually it's the child's ****ing problem.

OccultHawk 12-03-2018 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2020794)
Actually it's the child's ****ing problem.
That’s why we’re trapped. If government assistance were withheld until both mother and father were sterilized there would be huge decrease in human suffering long term. I guess if the woman were sterilized after the birth and the man refused then force him back to paying child support with 50% custody.

Of course, I don’t really know what to do. I do know that when I was teaching I saw repulsively huge “families” where children were just paychecks and cases of disability fraud that was very harmful to the child. That’s some ugly **** and may sound like right wing propaganda but I saw it with my own eyes. Kids as young as six doing all the cooking, cleaning, diaper changing, washing for the younger ones and the mothers getting high all the time because hey if the baby is ****ed up that means disability $$$ too. People might not believe it but it is like that.

Oriphiel 12-03-2018 04:56 AM
My anecdotes can beat up your anecdotes


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