MB's Own November Midterm Election

Lucem Ferre · 10-30-2018, 02:13 AM

Conservatives don't want a smaller government, they just want to throw the power in a different direction.

Stop and frisk laws seem much scarier than food stamps. But what do I know? I only have two bad ass braids.

Lisnaholic · 10-30-2018, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by windsock

Lis, I'm curious what your thoughts are on the recent situation of non-citizens getting registered to vote for midterms in places like Texas and California recently.

^ Hi, windsock! As it's becoming a contentious issue, figures that people quote on voter fraud may vary, but Wikipedia is pretty trustable isn't it? I've just found their article on Voter Impersonation, which includes this summary:-

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Voter impersonation (also sometimes called in-person voter fraud) is a form of electoral fraud in which a person who is not eligible to vote in an election does so by voting under the name of another eligible voter or a person who is eligible, to vote a second or more times by otherwise pretending to be another eligible voter. In the United States, voter ID laws have been enacted in a number of states since 2010 with the aim of preventing voter impersonation. Existing research and evidence shows that voter impersonation is extremely rare. For example, in a Nassau County, New York in 2013 a few hundred people voted who were registered as deceased. In 1997 in Miami eighteen people were arrested for absentee ballot fraud (not voter impersonation) in the mayoral election. Over a recent fourteen-year period, there were only thirty-one documented cases of voter impersonation. There is no evidence that it has changed the result of any election.

According to a 2012 Pew Research Center (Pew) report, which Donald Trump has cited as proof of voter fraud, millions of voter registration records were out of date as people were either deceased or had moved. In November 2016, the former Pew research director confirmed that even with the out-dated data, there was no evidence of voter fraud. On the contrary, inefficiencies in the electoral system resulted in 51 million American citizens being prevented from registering to vote, which disproportionately included many in the military who had been deployed overseas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_...(United_States)

Also, early on in his presidency Trump called for an investigation into voter fraud because that was his excuse for losing the popular vote. That investigation concluded that there was no evidence of fraud if I remember correctly. Do you have any differing info about non-citizens registering to vote, windsock? I'd be interested to hear it (= not being sarcastic

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**Janszoon** · 10-30-2018, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Conservatives don't want a smaller government, they just want to throw the power in a different direction.

Stop and frisk laws seem much scarier than food stamps. But what do I know? I only have two bad ass braids.

Good or bad, I don’t even want one ass braid.

Key · 10-30-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Good or bad, I don’t even want one ass braid.

You'd same money on toilet paper tho.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 10-30-2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I can handle the truth, just not that d*ke's voice.

I can't see them NOT making concessions for those on Native American reservations. Also, how do people on reservations without street addresses get mail? I might be visiting one this week. I'll inquire.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Conservatives don't want a smaller government, they just want to throw the power in a different direction.

Stop and frisk laws seem much scarier than food stamps.

You are conflating military with government. Conservatives want smaller government and big military, generally.

Stop and frisk laws are bullshi*t, I think we can all agree on that. What ever happened to being free from unreasonable search and seizure? Same with civil asset forfeiture.

The rapper MC Juice got arrested for carrying a large sum of money, thrown in jail and had his money stolen by bastard cops. I'm friends with him on Facebook.

Lisnaholic · 10-30-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

I can't see them NOT making concessions for those on Native American reservations. Also, how do people on reservations without street addresses get mail? I might be visiting one this week. I'll inquire.

^ Apparently it's normal on a reservation for people to hold a P.O.Box number at the local post office because the houses/roads aren't clearly labelled. The requirement that every voter must have a street address was brought in recently by a Republican governor: quite feasibly it was done deliberately to disenfranchise Native American voters, so your innocent hope that a concession will be made may not be realized. After all, early voting has already started, the election closes in a week and no move has yet been made to lift the street-address requirement afaik.

The questionable conduct of the bureaucrats above is voter supression, North Dakota style. Other scams are underway in Georgia and Texas. Meanwhile, the situation in Dodge City Kansas is a little more nuanced: Is it due to suppresion or official bumbling that Dodge City has just one principle Polling Station to serve 13,000 voters? Or that the Polling Station is in a difficult-to-reach civic center out of town? " The civic center just happens to be in the heart of the white part of Dodge City and next to the country club and its golf course," according to the article below. Handy for some, I suppose, but probably not for Latino voters living the wrong side of the tracks.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-voting-rights

~~[MERIT]~~ · 10-31-2018, 12:03 AM

I walked 3 miles each way the last time I went to vote. I didn't complain.

Lucem Ferre · 10-31-2018, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

I can handle the truth, just not that d*ke's voice.

I can't see them NOT making concessions for those on Native American reservations. Also, how do people on reservations without street addresses get mail? I might be visiting one this week. I'll inquire.

You are conflating military with government. Conservatives want smaller government and big military, generally.

Stop and frisk laws are bullshi*t, I think we can all agree on that. What ever happened to being free from unreasonable search and seizure? Same with civil asset forfeiture.

The rapper MC Juice got arrested for carrying a large sum of money, thrown in jail and had his money stolen by bastard cops. I'm friends with him on Facebook.

I'm fairly sure the military is part of the government.

I guess they'd technically be a part of the Executive branch.

I'm even more sure that law enforcement is part of the government. My guess would be judicial.

Psy-Fi · 10-31-2018, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Hi, windsock! As it's becoming a contentious issue, figures that people quote on voter fraud may vary, but Wikipedia is pretty trustable isn't it? I've just found their article on Voter Impersonation, which includes this summary:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_...(United_States)

Also, early on in his presidency Trump called for an investigation into voter fraud because that was his excuse for losing the popular vote. That investigation concluded that there was no evidence of fraud if I remember correctly. Do you have any differing info about non-citizens registering to vote, windsock? I'd be interested to hear it (= not being sarcastic

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Apparently it's normal on a reservation for people to hold a P.O.Box number at the local post office because the houses/roads aren't clearly labelled. The requirement that every voter must have a street address was brought in recently by a Republican governor: quite feasibly it was done deliberately to disenfranchise Native American voters, so your innocent hope that a concession will be made may not be realized. After all, early voting has already started, the election closes in a week and no move has yet been made to lift the street-address requirement afaik.

The questionable conduct of the bureaucrats above is voter supression, North Dakota style. Other scams are underway in Georgia and Texas. Meanwhile, the situation in Dodge City Kansas is a little more nuanced: Is it due to suppresion or official bumbling that Dodge City has just one principle Polling Station to serve 13,000 voters? Or that the Polling Station is in a difficult-to-reach civic center out of town? " The civic center just happens to be in the heart of the white part of Dodge City and next to the country club and its golf course," according to the article below. Handy for some, I suppose, but probably not for Latino voters living the wrong side of the tracks.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-voting-rights

It seems to me that some people on the right exaggerate and hype up "voter fraud" for their own benefit as much as some people on the left exaggerate and hype up "voter suppression" for their own benefit.

I don't trust either side of the political coin on either issue.

DwnWthVwls · 10-31-2018, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

say 5% [or any arbitrary number].

So, there is now $1 BILLION in circulation, but that country is now in debt, owing $1,050,000,000.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for that country to pay the money back, because that amount of money doesn't exist!

How is this beneficial to a nation?

Doesn't $50mil exist outside the US where products/services can be sold? Unless I'm missing something you'd only be correct if it was a closed system.

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~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	I walked 3 miles each way the last time I went to vote. I didn't complain.