Trollheart

Seriously? I mean, seriously? If someone changes their name, does that change the person? Really? What difference would posting under a new account make, unless the person was prepared to change? I don't get it. It's not like everything you are goes with your original name. If I changed my name and posted under a new account I'd still be a boring, pontificating Irish ****.

How is that a win/win? Mods now have, under this scheme, to watch carefully everything these "reinstated" members do. And what happens when they cause trouble again, if they do? Are they allowed warnings, temp bans like us all? Or the first time they step out of line, are they shot out of a cannon into the sun and perma-perma-perma-we-really-mean-it-this-time-permabanned again? And would any change of behaviour, if it occurred, have more to do with a fear of being banned again than someone actually wanting to change? Back to prisoners: is a guy out on parole going to behave because he wants to be a better person, or because he knows if he ****s up that he's going back inside?

Like I say, and believe what you want, this isn't about Sansa. I ****ing hate her and always will, but that's my business. But Ori is trying to set a precedent here for the future, so that anyone who gets permabanned from now on will know that, ah, it's not really permanent. I can make my case and they'll let me back in. Permabans, as I already said, aren't handed out lightly. You have to do a LOT for the mods to make that final move. And it should be final. You've had enough chances, and wasted them all, so, you know, **** you, is what I say.

I'd also like to point out that so far as I remember, the Batty permaban was all a big troll that Plankton was running, was it not? So he was never really banned, making that a bad example to use here.

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Cuthbert

TH used it as if it would be being used to avoid a ban, not with the OK of the mods. Not sure why you would refer to a new account as a 'sock puppet' if it was meant in any other way.

It wouldn't they would just be banned in 0.12 seconds.

Oriphiel

Sure.

Because I get along with them, and believe the community would benefit from their return. Sort of like when you championed for Batlord's return from his perma-ban.

Why not?

People change over the course of multiple years.

Like I said, I've talked to the two of them from time to time, and they're not as uppity as they used to be. But I can ask Sansa, if you want, if she'd be willing to make an effort to be chill. Seeing as how JWB comes back specifically to talk news and politics, and isn't really ever interested in trolling or personal attacks, yeah, I'd say he'd be happy to give it another go.

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Cuthbert

It's a different account not a name change. The permanent ban still applies to the original account.

Cos this has been brought up before several times and allowing them to post would put an end to it.

You mean the mods would have to mod the forum?

Oriphiel

So let the precedent be set, then. Kiiii could easily have been perma-banned for joking about atrocities. So could Chula and Hawk for their personal attacks. And during the Urban years, they would have been. But would the community be better for it?

It wasn't a troll. Plankton actually banned him, and deleted the final exchange to try to erase the weird entrapment thread and keep the backlash down. He really was supposed to be gone for good.

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Trollheart

Once again I will ask (and you will ignore): what benefit? JWB stirred up some controversy when he was here, yes, and he was fun at times. What benefit was there in having Sansa here, other than to wind up people like me? Where's this glorious new dawn that's going to result if people like these are allowed back?
Ah I'm just getting tired now. You're trying to twist my words. I'm against the idea NO MATTER WHO IS BANNED. Roscoe, RockGuitar101, DoesntReallyMatter, anyone. Whoever incurs the wrath of the mods, let them stay slain, say I. You have yet to provide a valid reason why and how letting anyone rejoin who has been banned would improve the forum. Your argument remains hinged on "oh go on let them back I'm sure they'll be nice don't be mean" etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrariness

Just please stop. You're giving me a headache. IF I stuck to THIS rule but said THAT rule was stupid, or I broke it or advocated its being broken, THEN I would be arbitrarily following or supporting the rules. But I do my best to follow ALL the rules, and when/if I break one, knowingly or unknowingly, I face up to that and accept it. I don't follow the rules I like and break the ones I don't.

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rubber soul

If the mods would let a permabanned member back, why would he have to have a new account?

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Cuthbert

I already explained, they don't, but some people think permanent bans should be permanent. So the permanent ban would still stand, just on the original account.

I don't care what account they post on.

Oriphiel

They're cool people with good bants and great taste in music.

She's a cool person with good bants and great taste in music.

Eh, it'd be a fun experiment, but I think "glorious new dawn" is a bit much.

You weren't singing that tune when Batty got the axe. And yes, his ban was real, and was supposed to be permanent.

Nah, I can't say whether they'd make an effort or just lapse. I'm not a mind reader. But they're cool people, and they're worth the chance. Especially since the only risk would be having to ban them again if they went back to being naughty, which is taken care of easily enough.

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Trollheart

We can argue back and forth like this forever, and I'm sure you're getting, and I'm giving, entertainment in so doing, but I've terrible stories to write, so I'm going to leave you now. Also, there's footie on the telly. It's only Serbia v Switzerland, but hey, it's something.

What this comes down to is this: you want Sansa and JWB back. I don't. The mods, however, will decide. So what you, me, or anyone else who isn't a mod wants is beside the point. I've made my position clear, but I'm sure it will have no bearing on what, if any, decision is come to here. Neither you nor I can influence the mods in what they do, and whether I like their decision, whatever it may be, or not, I'll have to abide by it.

So que sera sera.

Well done on a pretty good troll thread in the end. I'm outta here now. See you in the funny papers!

GOAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLACHHHO!

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