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Trollheart 06-04-2018 05:17 PM

I think the bigger question is, why the **** is Ori using percentage marks IN FRONT OF THE NUMBERS instead of behind? %100? Really? You a mutant, boy?

Oriphiel 06-04-2018 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1958343)
I think the bigger question is, why the **** is Ori using percentage marks IN FRONT OF THE NUMBERS instead of behind? %100? Really? You a mutant, boy?

It's one of my sexy quirks. I also have perky nipples.

Trollheart 06-04-2018 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1958345)
It's one of my sexy quirks. I also have perky nipples.

I know. :love:

The Batlord 06-04-2018 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1958321)
Not a clue. Curious though, are the questions posed in the OP a big part of the comics? Never considered the potential for politics in a super hero comic, but I'd probably really enjoy it, if taken seriously.

I absolutely beyond all sense recommend Grant Morrison's New X-Men run. In the early 2000s it for the first time posited a world where the mutant population had achieved a level of millions that had developed their own enclaves in society much like Chinatown. They had their own subculture, their own music, and even subversive elements in human society much like a punk movement (Morrison was in a punk band in the 70's so that makes total sense.) The question was moved from "Mutant survival" to "Mutant rights". (One character's "Magneto Was Right" t-shirt is constantly on my buy list but I've never pulled the trigger.)

Spoiler for magneto was ****ing right:


Not to mention that Jean Grey's Phoenix storyline and Magneto's very place in the mutant community were completely flipped on their head to illustrate the change in direction to an extent that probably confused a lot of kids who didn't know what to do with an X-Men series that wasn't a pure genre series. Hell, Cyclops being a perennially self-absorbed dick with an inferiority complex was brought to a head that changed a part of continuity in a way that is still relevant almost twenty years later, and for the better afaic cause Emma Frost > Jean Grey. So even the melodrama was on another level from ALL years past.

After he left the series Marvel decided that they didn't like all of this progression and just wanted to write the same X-Men stories they'd been writing since the 60s so they reversed basically everything Morrison had done and killed the vast majority of mutants to bring the question back to "Mutant survival" in a cringey event much like the event that ruined Spider-Man around the same time (Joe Quesada is a ****ing whore). X-Men has never since been interesting because there's basically an editorially mandated glass ceiling of how far X-Men can advance its own story. Joss Whedon wrote a great run directly after that was almost entirely regressive but still high quality, but since then there's been okay or even good stories but never anything of true worth as far as I know.

Morrison's run is just over 40 issues so it had quite a bit of time to develop and there's a nice, heavy omnibus that might as well be made of concrete for you to sink your teeth into. If you want to read the absolute most mature and well-realized X-Men series ever made then this is an absolute must. It's god damn brilliant and the best looking dictionary-sized thing on my shelf. Literally the only thing I'd criticize is that the art isn't exactly my favorite thing. Oh yeah and there was a retcon at the end that was fine but still kinda bull****.

https://www.amazon.com/New-X-Men-Omn.../dp/1302901966

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/New-...e-114?id=32326

Oriphiel 06-04-2018 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord
Emma Frost > Jean Grey

:beer::beer::beer:

The Batlord 06-04-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1958381)
:beer::beer::beer:

I actually have a large soft spot for Jean Grey possibly because of her hair color, but when she's not written just as Cyclops' girlfriend she can be very engaging, and ****ing Phoenix god damn it. She beat Thor by proxy by beating the ever loving **** out of Firelord who'd just gone toe-to-toe with Thor in his series. But competing against Emma Frost is a losing proposition for... like, everyone? She dealt with an anti-mutant mob by giving them all orgasms. How do you top that? And I'm not sure if that was in Grant Morrison's series but I highly suspect it was because Grant Morrison.

God damn it I'm reading Berserk but now I want to reread New X-Men. Why do they both have to be so long.

DwnWthVwls 06-04-2018 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1958377)
I absolutely beyond all sense recommend Grant Morrison's New X-Men run. In the early 2000s it for the first time posited a world where the mutant population had achieved a level of millions that had developed their own enclaves in society much like Chinatown. They had their own subculture, their own music, and even subversive elements in human society much like a punk movement (Morrison was in a punk band in the 70's so that makes total sense.) The question was moved from "Mutant survival" to "Mutant rights". (One character's "Magneto Was Right" t-shirt is constantly on my buy list but I've never pulled the trigger.)

Spoiler for magneto was ****ing right:


Not to mention that Jean Grey's Phoenix storyline and Magneto's very place in the mutant community were completely flipped on their head to illustrate the change in direction to an extent that probably confused a lot of kids who didn't know what to do with an X-Men series that wasn't a pure genre series. Hell, Cyclops being a perennially self-absorbed dick with an inferiority complex was brought to a head that changed a part of continuity in a way that is still relevant almost twenty years later, and for the better afaic cause Emma Frost > Jean Grey. So even the melodrama was on another level from ALL years past.

After he left the series Marvel decided that they didn't like all of this progression and just wanted to write the same X-Men stories they'd been writing since the 60s so they reversed basically everything Morrison had done and killed the vast majority of mutants to bring the question back to "Mutant survival" in a cringey event much like the event that ruined Spider-Man around the same time (Joe Quesada is a ****ing whore). X-Men has never since been interesting because there's basically an editorially mandated glass ceiling of how far X-Men can advance its own story. Joss Whedon wrote a great run directly after that was almost entirely regressive but still high quality, but since then there's been okay or even good stories but never anything of true worth as far as I know.

Morrison's run is just over 40 issues so it had quite a bit of time to develop and there's a nice, heavy omnibus that might as well be made of concrete for you to sink your teeth into. If you want to read the absolute most mature and well-realized X-Men series ever made then this is an absolute must. It's god damn brilliant and the best looking dictionary-sized thing on my shelf. Literally the only thing I'd criticize is that the art isn't exactly my favorite thing. Oh yeah and there was a retcon at the end that was fine but still kinda bull****.

https://www.amazon.com/New-X-Men-Omn.../dp/1302901966

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/New-...e-114?id=32326


Sounds really interesting. You're not allowed to hate me if I buy it and show it off though. Also, Idk who Emma Frost is, but holy fuck is she hyper sexualized in the google image search results.

Don't fix your computer.. Get this instead: https://www.instocktrades.com/TP/Mar...-PTG/MAR160918

The Batlord 06-04-2018 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1958398)
Sounds really interesting. You're not allowed to hate me if I buy it and show it off though. Also, Idk who Emma Frost is, but holy fuck is she hyper sexualized in the google image search results.

Don't fix your computer.. Get this instead: https://www.instocktrades.com/TP/Mar...-PTG/MAR160918

Emma Frost is great. She's a self-absorbed super **** who's all about doing everything she wants to do and getting a boob job and **** everyone who bitches, but who still believes in mutant/human peace and is willing to do anything necessary to achieve that goal. Like Magneto but not insane. She's basically the ultimate boss bitch in all of comics. If Sansa were still here I'm sure I could get her to worship Emma Frost.

And please show it off. New X-Men is one of the apex superhero series and needs as much love as it can get even if it gets enough love to overshadow for fans everything but the 70s/80s Claremont X-Men golden age. And even then it's still on the same level, and still superior in concept. Claremont, Morrison, and Whedon are basically the holy trinity of X-Men writers. (Emma Frost is also magnificent in Whedon's run btw.)

Also, InStockTrades is fantastic. It has ridiculous deals that are never undercut by Amazon and often undercut them. The delivery time can be considerably longer, up to 2 weeks with no equivalent to Amazon Prime delivery times, but the prices are fantastic and the packaging is paranoid about protecting comics. Now that I think of it I got that omnibus from that site, so please give it your business. Too bad that the search engine is garbage.

Oriphiel 06-04-2018 06:34 PM

Don't forget to mention that Emma Frost can turn herself into living diamond and beat losers to a fucking pulp when the need arises.

The Batlord 06-04-2018 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1958421)
Don't forget to mention that Emma Frost can turn herself into living diamond and beat losers to a fucking pulp when the need arises.

I mean yeah but that's kind of a stupid power. How exactly does that add to her character? I'm still not sure why Morrison did that. It feels like a Mary Sue fanfiction thing that's only not that bad because of the restriction that she can't use her psychic powers in crystal form. Well I guess it makes sense to separate her powers from Jean Grey since back in the day she was just a villainous Jean, and Emma's personality lends itself to just straight up harming people more than Jean's does. But it's still kinda stupid and forced.


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