Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1952399)

Leave me the **** out of this stupid discussion.

You ****ing eggheads have at it.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1952377)

I'm referring to effectiveness, but that's the thing, no matter how much you do, "lesser privileged" people will always search for justification for why things are not equal across the board while simultaneously insisting on certain freedoms. I don't think the it is possible for the two to coexist. I'm getting way off topic here.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952410)

I'm cool with off-topic-ish. What do you mean by certain freedoms? There will always be those who take advantage of whatever they can, that's no reason to dismiss white privilege. It exists in modern day America 5sho. What does a billionaire look like?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952416)

Idk if you work for the state or whatever but did you ask your employer what kind of other candidates there were for the gig?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952410)

I'm cool with off-topic-ish. What do you mean by certain freedoms? There will always be those who take advantage of whatever they can, that's no reason to dismiss white privilege. It exists in modern day America 5sho. What does a billionaire look like?

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1952425)

I’m still wondering if America’s white billionaires are planning a surprise party for me.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1952353)

The problem with the white privilege claim is actually showing systematic white privilege. Also, the definition WIDELY varies. Bunch of anecdotes and questionable stats used on both sides. There is a difference between anecdotal racism holding down some minorities and systematic white privilege. Too much damn nuance to wrap my head around.. Idk.



These kinds of examples are just awful.. Take a scenario where only white people exist and there will be the same bias based around adjectives as well. People make snap judgements all the time based on how you carry yourself, what youre wearing, etc.. I live in the sticks of NJ and worked at a grocery store for almost 4 years, while I went to college. You think my managers weren't following around the whitetrash, drug addict looking rednecks and leaving most of the "normal"/old customers be? When the occasional minority customer came in do you think they suddenly stopped paying attention to the white trash and focused on them instead? Not in my experience, maybe it's just the place I live, idk.

and the legacy thing - unless youre talking percentages that doesn't demonstrate anything. Please explain as I'm pretty ignorant about this topic.

Also, not accepting white privilege exists doesn't require evidence based on the same logic that not accepting God's existence doesnt require evidence. You don't get to just throw out reason because emotion.


To all: If everyone in the entire world was one race, do you think there wouldn't be certain groups of people that got ahead? It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of society.. what would you blame it on if there were only white people and how do you know some of those factors aren't also part of the problem currently? As always, I take the position.. yeah there's that, but there is also this.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952430)

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952430)

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1952444)

let's see where that gets you on this issue

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1952441)

White shaming, white privilege, it's all propaganda to justify "White" hatred.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1952449)

I’m so sick of this anti-Asian bull****. First off, learn the ****ing difference between Korea and China. Second, learn the difference between running an honest business and stealing from one. Third, you live in Utah. The only reason anyone lives in Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming is to avoid blacks. Even the blacks in Utah are there to avoid other blacks.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1952151)

Given the Mickey Rooney level race jokes you make I highly doubt you'd recognize subtle racism.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1952228)

Looks like not everyone in Ireland agrees with you: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...35557?mode=amp

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1952347)

bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy when Jamal's job application to the grocery was rejected under the assumption he might steal stuff

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1952353)

To all: If everyone in the entire world was one race, do you think there wouldn't be certain groups of people that got ahead? It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of society.. what would you blame it on if there were only white people and how do you know some of those factors aren't also part of the problem currently? As always, I take the position.. yeah there's that, but there is also this.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952355)

The problem with rejecting the existence of white privilege is the idea that it has to be systematically enforced when it's really a cultural norm. Also, the definition WIDELY varies.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952378)

This pleases me. How

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1952391)

I don't know about that. I think solutions like Betadine are better than band-aids, unless you are talking band-aids that contain ointment e.g. Neosporin.



I think people should take time to clean the wound and use solutions. If a wound isn't properly cleansed then all a band-aids does in trap in germs.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1952421)

I work for a dude with a truck and some basic yard work tools. My competition is whoever around the neighborhood needs drug money.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952430)

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1952453)

You're certifiably insane.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1952449)

I’m so sick of this anti-Asian bull****. First off, learn the ****ing difference between Korea and China. Second, learn the difference between running an honest business and stealing from one. Third, you live in Utah. The only reason anyone lives in Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming is to avoid blacks. Even the blacks in Utah are there to avoid other blacks. I grew up in Atlanta and live in a black neighborhood in Florida right now. White people who live as far from blacks as humanly possible who want to lecture about race relations are funny.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1952453)

You're certifiably insane.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1952472)

You’re the one that got sent to the rubber room

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1952433)

I've seen it happen enough for me to be convinced. Just because it's anecdotal doesn't mean it's completely useless.

And yes, I do believe that most societies in this day and age show favoritism towards a majority. Especially in a country with as much racial tension as this one.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952430)

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1952433)

People don't get accused of being criminal simply for being white, it's only blacks. Look at the ironic "shouldn't we hold a race accountable" rhetoric spewed from Monkey and Hawk on this thread.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1952433)

People don't get accused of being criminal simply for being white

Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1952522)

I'm white, and I've been followed around stores plenty of times. One of the curses of looking like a crack addict. :laughing:

A security guy once even stepped right in front of me and tried to grill me, and I just kinda ignored him, 'cause fuck that. Had enough of that shit back in high school.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1952529)

What does a thug look like?

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1952532)

This guy never gets followed

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/ima...48/600x600.jpg

jaja

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1952542)

Fuck that guy. Look at the beautiful tattoo chick I found.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1952469)

My belief is that, race or no race, those with money, power and influence will always have the upper hand, and therefore be treated differently, to those who do not. I don't think we'll ever get away from that, as long as wealth=power.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1952469)

That's possible. I'm not saying I know a lot about it. I'm just saying it isn't a big issue you read or hear a lot about. Neither are a lot of things; doesn't mean they're not there. I guess I'm pretty isolated really, but I'm just telling you what I see. I don't see black people being chased by Gardai, hassled in shops, shot down in the street or being particularly a large section of the homeless here.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1952571)

Do you get paid by the comma?

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1952587)

I would imagine that a lot of what you're describing is a product of the fact that black people are a very small percentage of the population in Ireland.