I’d rather have the complexion of a ham than a turd.

Mark Dice - It's Spreading

I can teleport?!?!?

I also love when they describe people being able to express their opinions as “crappy”

I hate it when people over simplify white privilege to a degree that really misconstrues the concept.

It doesn't exist.
Most people who believe it exists will give you a different definition.

It exists. Just not in the cut and dry why people present it.

What do you think it is Lucem?

In the US of A being white affords you certain advantages based upon living in a country with a strong history of systematic oppression and strongly increases the chances of being born into better situations.

Being white doesn't mean everything is handed to you. It means you are far less likely to face certain road blocks that minorities face.

Examples would be how often black people get followed around in stores by managers thinking they are going to steal while white people aren't used to it.

Or how there are more white legacy students in college than there are any particular minority.

It only applies to the US then?

The first one I'm not sure how you could prove how often that happens or even that it's because of race so that isn't a good example, and the second one, can you explain a bit more what that is please?

Usually it’s Korean owners who are the victims of shoplifting perpetrated by blacks.

How the **** one group isn’t held accountable for constantly robbing and shoplifting and staying in stores for retardedly long times (like really? 45 minutes in a minimart to buy a 40?) and another group of people are vilified for keeping an eye on the people who steal their ****. It’s ****ing incredible. Nobody ****ing wants to follow hostile blacks around. But do you ever hear blacks say goddamnit our people need to get their **** together and stop stealing from these Koreans? **** no! They bitch about the Koreans and somehow sell the story to whitey that they’re the ****ing victims.

White people aren’t used to it because white people go in the store, buy what they want, and ****ing leave. Like you’re supposed to do.

I don't get why this is ignored either.
No doubt someone will find a way to blame the shoplifting on whites as well.

I'm sure Monkey means it doesn't exist here. And it kind of doesn't. Blacks, Asians, Muslims, you name it ... everyone gets treated more or less the same here in Ireland (like ****) :laughing: and although there were only ever two black people I know of working in my office over the thirty years (nearly) I was there, one of them was a director, so I doubt it has anything to do with keeping the jobs for whites.

It's obviously a lot different over there, which is why Monkey takes that attitude, and so frankly would I. I guess he should have said "it doesn't exist here."

https://media.giphy.com/media/d2lcHJTG5Tscg/giphy.gif

But seriously, are you kidding or delusional?

It doesn't and not being followed around in shops is not an example of white privilege either.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minority

Given the Mickey Rooney level race jokes you make I highly doubt you'd recognize subtle racism.

Can you prove your claim? Where are you getting your facts that black people steal from Asian stores?


And no. Holding a whole race accountable is not okay. That's racism.

Depends which race it is?

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Looks like not everyone in Ireland agrees with you: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...35557?mode=amp

I’m racist.

The problem with the white privilege claim is actually showing systematic white privilege. Also, the definition WIDELY varies. Bunch of anecdotes and questionable stats used on both sides. There is a difference between anecdotal racism holding down some minorities and systematic white privilege. Too much damn nuance to wrap my head around.. Idk.

These kinds of examples are just awful.. Take a scenario where only white people exist and there will be the same bias based around adjectives as well. People make snap judgements all the time based on how you carry yourself, what youre wearing, etc.. I live in the sticks of NJ and worked at a grocery store for almost 4 years, while I went to college. You think my managers weren't following around the whitetrash, drug addict looking rednecks and leaving most of the "normal"/old customers be? When the occasional minority customer came in do you think they suddenly stopped paying attention to the white trash and focused on them instead? Not in my experience, maybe it's just the place I live, idk.

and the legacy thing - unless youre talking percentages that doesn't demonstrate anything. Please explain as I'm pretty ignorant about this topic.

Also, not accepting white privilege exists doesn't require evidence based on the same logic that not accepting God's existence doesnt require evidence. You don't get to just throw out reason because emotion.


To all: If everyone in the entire world was one race, do you think there wouldn't be certain groups of people that got ahead? It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of society.. what would you blame it on if there were only white people and how do you know some of those factors aren't also part of the problem currently? As always, I take the position.. yeah there's that, but there is also this.

The problem with rejecting the existence of white privilege is the idea that it has to be systematically enforced when it's really a cultural norm. Also, the definition WIDELY varies.

So snarky..

I'm right though. You're demanding a systemic example of privilege when it's an issue based on implicit biases. I mean if you really want the justification, it's the echoes of slavery and Jim Crow.

That's definitely not how I've heard it presented.. "Systematic" is always paired with "white privilege" in the debates I've heard. Your point is another topic completely. Lucem used the term in the post that kicked off this discussion.

Also, I'm not demanding anything.. Go get pissed and come back so we can troll Chula.

Much like free speech, ithe concept been hijacked by obnoxious ideologues.

What's your interpretation of white privilege? I mean as a term, not whether or not you agree with its validity.

Without giving it much thought, something along the lines of: an inherent societal advantage centered around racial identity.

So where does the requirement for privilege to be systematic fit into that?

White privilege doesn't have to be a Bond villain.

I didn't say there was one.. I was responding to what I thought was the topic of systematic white privilege.

But if you want to follow that line of reasoning: if society recognizes some sort of privilege exists for a specific group and creates legislation, or whatever, to address it than what are we left with? Is white privilege still a thing or just some philosophical race bating dialogue? And how do you go about determining if the scales are balanced?

Just to be fair, my definition is widespread benefits based off of paradigms built on a history of legislatively systemic privilege.

I don't think that legislation is the right approach because it would be too difficult to write without pitfalls and too hard to overturn once those pitfalls are reached. Education and awareness is the best approach on top of encouraging diversity to remove those implicit biases.

You and I both know that "education and awareness" is not good enough for people, because bandaids are better than solutions. Also, ain't no one got time for that.

Using your definition can you give me an example of non-systematic white privilege?

Are you referring to effectiveness or the public's perception that we've "done enough"?

http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf

I'm referring to effectiveness, but that's the thing, no matter how much you do, "lesser privileged" people will always search for justification for why things are not equal across the board while simultaneously insisting on certain freedoms. I don't think the it is possible for the two to coexist. I'm getting way off topic here.

I hate you. I'm not reading that now, maybe this weekend if I'm motivated.

This pleases me. How

I don't know about that. I think solutions like Betadine are better than band-aids, unless you are talking band-aids that contain ointment e.g. Neosporin.

I think people should take time to clean the wound and use solutions. If a wound isn't properly cleansed then all a band-aids does in trap in germs.

Leave me the **** out of this stupid discussion.

You ****ing eggheads have at it.

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