White Shaming

**Frownland** · 05-18-2018, 10:52 PM

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

Lucem Ferre · 05-18-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

The problem with the white privilege claim is actually showing systematic white privilege. Also, the definition WIDELY varies. Bunch of anecdotes and questionable stats used on both sides. There is a difference between anecdotal racism holding down some minorities and systematic white privilege. Too much damn nuance to wrap my head around.. Idk.

These kinds of examples are just awful.. Take a scenario where only white people exist and there will be the same bias based around adjectives as well. People make snap judgements all the time based on how you carry yourself, what youre wearing, etc.. I live in the sticks of NJ and worked at a grocery store for almost 4 years, while I went to college. You think my managers weren't following around the whitetrash, drug addict looking rednecks and leaving most of the "normal"/old customers be? When the occasional minority customer came in do you think they suddenly stopped paying attention to the white trash and focused on them instead? Not in my experience, maybe it's just the place I live, idk.

and the legacy thing - unless youre talking percentages that doesn't demonstrate anything. Please explain as I'm pretty ignorant about this topic.

Also, not accepting white privilege exists doesn't require evidence based on the same logic that not accepting God's existence doesnt require evidence. You don't get to just throw out reason because emotion.

To all: If everyone in the entire world was one race, do you think there wouldn't be certain groups of people that got ahead? It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of society.. what would you blame it on if there were only white people and how do you know some of those factors aren't also part of the problem currently? As always, I take the position.. yeah there's that, but there is also this.

The thing is, whether a black person looks bummy or is well dressed if they are followed around stores it's typically just for being black. I've seen it happen enough for me to be convinced. People don't get accused of being criminal simply for being white, it's only blacks. Look at the ironic "shouldn't we hold a race accountable" rhetoric spewed from Monkey and Hawk on this thread.

I can provide statistics on the legacy students bit if you want it. I'm sure I can gather plenty of wealth statistics and prosecution statistics as well that lean in my favor.

But honestly there is a large lack of statistical proof because we don't really keep good track of these things. The only thing you can go off of is anecdotal evidence. Just because it's anecdotal doesn't mean it's completely useless.

And yes, I do believe that most societies in this day and age show favoritism towards a majority. Especially in a country with as much racial tension as this one.

Lucem Ferre · 05-18-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

This. It's what I've been saying this whole time.

While a major difference would be ending systematic racism that happens with police targeting, killing and locking up minorities, I think things will eventually iron themselves out with the social evolution of America as long as we can all stop denying it exists.

Neapolitan · 05-18-2018, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

White shaming, white privilege, it's all propaganda to justify "White" hatred.

Lucem Ferre · 05-19-2018, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

let's see where that gets you on this issue

It gets you here.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

White shaming, white privilege, it's all propaganda to justify "White" hatred.

Because pointing out bigotry or the fact that whites typically have more advantages in America than minorities is 'shaming' and justifies hating them in the eyes of people who don't think there is any accountability to be held for this country's racist history but also think that all black people should be held accountable when some of them steal from Chinese people.

OccultHawk · 05-19-2018, 01:33 AM

I’m so sick of this anti-Asian bull****. First off, learn the ****ing difference between Korea and China. Second, learn the difference between running an honest business and stealing from one. Third, you live in Utah. The only reason anyone lives in Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming is to avoid blacks. Even the blacks in Utah are there to avoid other blacks. I grew up in Atlanta and live in a black neighborhood in Florida right now. White people who live as far from blacks as humanly possible who want to lecture about race relations are funny.

Chula Vista · 05-19-2018, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I’m so sick of this anti-Asian bull****. First off, learn the ****ing difference between Korea and China. Second, learn the difference between running an honest business and stealing from one. Third, you live in Utah. The only reason anyone lives in Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming is to avoid blacks. Even the blacks in Utah are there to avoid other blacks.

You're certifiably insane.

Trollheart · 05-19-2018, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Given the Mickey Rooney level race jokes you make I highly doubt you'd recognize subtle racism.

Did I say racism didn't exist in Ireland? I did not. We're totally racist here. I've been out of the work loop for nearly ten years now, so it may have changed, but when I was working I never saw this idea of white people being hired over other races, mostly because it looked like we just didn't have that divide, at least, not as sharply as you do over there.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Looks like not everyone in Ireland agrees with you: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...35557?mode=amp

That's possible. I'm not saying I know a lot about it. I'm just saying it isn't a big issue you read or hear a lot about. Neither are a lot of things; doesn't mean they're not there. I guess I'm pretty isolated really, but I'm just telling you what I see. I don't see black people being chased by Gardai, hassled in shops, shot down in the street or being particularly a large section of the homeless here.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy when Jamal's job application to the grocery was rejected under the assumption he might steal stuff

You mean that genie from Aladdin is ... oh no. That's Jafar, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

To all: If everyone in the entire world was one race, do you think there wouldn't be certain groups of people that got ahead? It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of society.. what would you blame it on if there were only white people and how do you know some of those factors aren't also part of the problem currently? As always, I take the position.. yeah there's that, but there is also this.

My belief is that, race or no race, those with money, power and influence will always have the upper hand, and therefore be treated differently, to those who do not. I don't think we'll ever get away from that, as long as wealth=power.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The problem with rejecting the existence of white privilege is the idea that it has to be systematically enforced when it's really a cultural norm. Also, the definition WIDELY varies.

At least you didn't say "whitely" varies.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

This pleases me. How

Did someone shoot you in the middle of a sentence?

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I don't know about that. I think solutions like Betadine are better than band-aids, unless you are talking band-aids that contain ointment e.g. Neosporin.

I think people should take time to clean the wound and use solutions. If a wound isn't properly cleansed then all a band-aids does in trap in germs.

and sing songs about famine.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I work for a dude with a truck and some basic yard work tools. My competition is whoever around the neighborhood needs drug money.

Last man vertical gets the job!

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss.

If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as **** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets.

Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull**** really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother****ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue.

Who are you directing this at?

OccultHawk · 05-19-2018, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You're certifiably insane.

You’re the one that got sent to the rubber room

Psy-Fi · 05-19-2018, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I’m so sick of this anti-Asian bull****. First off, learn the ****ing difference between Korea and China. Second, learn the difference between running an honest business and stealing from one. Third, you live in Utah. The only reason anyone lives in Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming is to avoid blacks. Even the blacks in Utah are there to avoid other blacks. I grew up in Atlanta and live in a black neighborhood in Florida right now. White people who live as far from blacks as humanly possible who want to lecture about race relations are funny.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You're certifiably insane.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You’re the one that got sent to the rubber room

05-18-2018, 10:52 PM	#331 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Were your parents poor? And yer grammies and granpies? White privilege doesn't mean that every cracker's rich, it means that minorities haven't had as long to build a stable family line to fall back on which makes them more likely to end up impoverished. Whites have always experienced poverty. Every race has. However, if you take the proportion of the minority that's impoverished and compare it to the proportion of impoverished white people in America, it's a rather stark difference. People build their perceptions on the world around them and seeing more impoverished minorities than average or prosperous ones can easily influence someone's paradigm, especially if they're as dumb as an American. A lot of recruiters go on gut instinct for "company culture" and poor people usually have a hard time getting on with the wealthy people who run the company that the recruiter is hiring for. Also, the recruiter is cousins with the boss. If a white family has a history of poverty it can be hard to shake too. Just because there's a trend in white people being able to use their familial network and minorities being subtly snubbed in ways that the snubbers are't even conscious of doesn't mean that there aren't minorities who are rich as ** or that there aren't white people who are dying on the streets. Both you and dumbasses who misuse it for bull really ought to consider what it actually is. We need to shame mother*ers into logic or you're just going to keep chalking it up to luck and a nice excuse. The best that most of us can do is just be mindful of what we do and try to have an open dialogue. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x

05-19-2018, 01:33 AM	#336 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I’m so sick of this anti-Asian bull**. First off, learn the **ing difference between Korea and China. Second, learn the difference between running an honest business and stealing from one. Third, you live in Utah. The only reason anyone lives in Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming is to avoid blacks. Even the blacks in Utah are there to avoid other blacks. I grew up in Atlanta and live in a black neighborhood in Florida right now. White people who live as far from blacks as humanly possible who want to lecture about race relations are funny. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html