Is violence ever the answer?
 

Maybe there's a guy you know who used to do awful things to other people, and just refused to learn until someone finally socked some sense into him. Maybe you're a parent, and you believe that disciplining your child after they do dangerous things will condition them to avoid that kind of behavior in the future. Maybe you and your friends have a fight club, to let off steam. Or maybe you're afraid of the idea of being victimized, and practice self defense techniques, or maybe even own a weapon, to protect yourself.

Does violence ever solve anything? Is it okay if it's consensual (for fun or sport), or is it always wrong? Is it ever alright to make the first move in a fight? Should you purely use it as a last resort? Or should you never use it at all?

Only in self-defence. And that could still be the first move. You don't wait for the knife-wielding robber to stab you before you fight back.

Guess it depends what the question is??

Seriously, sometimes it is the only answer, but as Goof says, it should be a last resort. You don't kick someone in the face just because he LOOKED LIKE he was going to attack you. You need to exhaust all other avenues of response (assuming you're in a situation that allows that) rather than talking with your fists.

Then again...
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Yes. You can't always take the diplomatic approach.

I don't agree with spanking children. If they smart enough to understand reason, then reasons with them. If they aren't advanced enough to understand reason, then they won't understand the reason that you're spanking them, so they just see it as an attack. And that does nothing more than hurt your interpersonal relationship. [God help me, I feel like a fucking liberal typing that, but it's how I feel.]

For sport? I'm fine with combat sports. Two people [none of that 5-on-5 "team" bullshit] agree to a set of rules and engage in a safe manner, then go for it!

In every day life? Use your best judgment.

Unless by diplomatic you mean Dick Cheney.

I believe that complete pacifism is most moral and courageous position.

Would you rather be CORRECT or would you rather be HAPPY? You can sit there chanting peaceful mantras, but if some dude comes up and kicks you in the face, then what?

I do nothing for a few years and then after it’s long forgotten I kill his daughter.

An accredited martial artist such as yourself should know how to deescalate a situation without resorting to violence.

You ALWAYS have to be ready to defend yourself. You should never PROVOKE an attack, but you have to draw your line in the sand [morally, figuratively or even physically]. VERBALLY let people know what your boundaries are [and be reasonable about it], and if the line gets crossed, then it's time to pop off.

Having martial arts training doesn't make you a bad ass. It just makes you more effective at what you choose to do. Yeah, anyone could stand there and slug it out for 10 minutes and end up with a busted-up face, but having training means that you can take someone down to the ground and put them to sleep in ~ 7 seconds, w/o any bloodshed or broken bones, and then walk away and continue your day.

Tsk tsk. You know not of the DRUNK ARGUMENT FU. I guess that the Dunning-Kruger effect wasn't just Nazi Zionist propaganda after all.

I'm afraid I can't talk about that.

No, I wholly picked up on your sarcasm in referring to my martial arts abilities. But instead of pointing it out and having you backtrack and claim sincerity, I just rolled with it. It's not worth it to start shit for no reason. Our time is finite, homie. And I don't need require your approval to have confidence in myself. I know my worth and abilities. Your judgment means nothing to me.

Quick, painless, efficient death is the only violence I'm down for.

Different people have different definitions of "violence," and varying levels of its acceptance. Some people think MMA is human cock-fighting, but will sit through 'Saving Private Ryan,' where people get shot to shit and blown to bits for 3 hours. To each their own, I suppose.

One of those is fake, though. Derka derrr!

No.
Self defence and sport is OK though.

Hunting humans for sport is fine. Got it.

Deep bro.

Only the Muslamics.

I'd take that over fox hunting anyday m8.

Presumably you lose your place in your chanting and have to start all over again. Annoying.
That's you idea of complete pacifism? What if he don't have a daughter? Let me guess: you go **** his wife and wait for ten years or so. What if he don't have a wife? Let me guess: you spend years getting him together with some hot bit (she gotta be hot if you're gonna pork her, nomsayin?), pop a kid in her belly, wait another ten years. What if it's not a girl? If at first you don't succeed, right?
Whollier-than-thou, eh?
For the other person, I'm assuming. Cos you know, you can get that from a suicide vest if that's how you want to go. As a bonus, you get to take out a whole lot of innocent people too.
As long as you have somewhere to keep the trophies.
Yeah, foxes just can't get the hang of them rifles, can they? Stupid animals, looking down the barrel and saying "so I look down here, do I?" before pulling the trigger. :rolleyes:

Children aren’t people.

Oh. I wasn't aware pacifism related only to adults.

It’s a part of my pro-abortion agenda.

#VoteHawk2020

I agree. That doesn't mean I'll necessarily be able to live by it 100% though.

I don't think I feel much of a desire to break things. Things are usually more useful whole.

Vandalism is not a form of violence.

And you wouldn't care about the owners of those windows? Or if anyone got hurt or frightened by your unsolicited violence? Ever hear of Kristallnacht? :rolleyes:



Yes it ****ing is.

make it mandatory abortions and you’ve got a deal

I wouldn’t support the government doing but I’d like to see pregnant women publicly shamed and harassed.

If some looney tune comes over and starts lagging rocks through their window, there's no much time to get out of the way. What if there are children/babies in the shop/house you decide you just want to vandalise? Vandals are scum. ****s. I suppose you hate glass, too? Add it to the list, huh?

this is a decent compromise

Violence is the last resort to avoid being physically harmed. It's not off the table, but I don't think it should be used to solve just any problem. If you can't escape a situation and there's literally nothing else to be done but kicking someone's ass then that's sometimes what needs to happen.

Who here thinks they have the authority to tell us when or when not to behave violently? Violence is most certainly always an option that you can choose for anything.

Your boss asks you to stay late? Slam their ****ing head against the wall until it's reduced to pulp.

Your spouse keeps nagging you about the dishes? Bend the bitch over and rape them in the ass and pull their head back by the hair while you shove a hot curling iron down their ****ing throat.

Your teacher gives you a math problem that you struggle with? Stab them in the crotch until their clothes are soaked with blood then tear out their eyes with a pen then staple them to the chalk board.

A person threatens to hurt you with a gun or a knife? Flick them in the nose!

Now, will any of these solve your problems? Idk probably, but they are options. But the only true solution for any problem is suicide.

You stole my quote idea, you ****ing hack.

Edit: Mine is A list, yours is D list ****ing trash.