Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

Oriphiel · 12-05-2017, 04:23 PM

Oh shit, elphenor actually figured out how to quote.

Well, I guess my work here is done.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tolstoy

whoever has the most money is obviously always at fault

i'm no religious scholar or proponent of religion but there is something to the commandment not to covet thy neighbor's ox

Oh no, they're never at fault, and we should all kiss their rich, glorious asses.

Yeah, there's also one about not stealing which I assume includes stealing from the public, but no let's frame the people who don't have anything as being jealous for demanding a bigger share of the pie. I think Warren Buffet and The Waltons can probably afford to help us out and not be too set back.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tolstoy

So what system would you replace capitalism with? Cause I'm sure you're aware it's been tried a few times and hasn't ever worked out well.

When has it been tried and not worked out, and why are you so fixated on free markets as being mutually exclusive to the system we have now?

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tolstoy

stealing from the public?

You thought that the tax breaks weren't them stealing from the public?

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 05:13 PM

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The big one was the Soviet Union. But of course there's also Mao's china, NK, Cuba, Venezuela, etc

You mean Mao's China that's passed the US in virtually every economic statistic? Okay, so them.. What about the vast majority of the EU? Or are they a failure too. Lol.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tolstoy

Ah. So getting a tax break = theft. Alrighty then.

Ah, so taking money from the public programs isn't theft. Alrighty then....

OccultHawk · 12-05-2017, 05:42 PM

With automation it's time to try again.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tolstoy

yes, that china. The one that tried to revert to communal farming under the impression that they were revolutionaries, ended up starving 30 million people to death, and then decided to engage in international trade after all in order to survive, while maintaining their autocratic police state. That's the one.

Yup, and no one's saying that international trade is the issue, so what's your point, and how does it relate to a society with less inequality and making the wealthy pay their fair share?

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 05:54 PM

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So if the govt offers you a deduction...

Using a deduction isn't the same as using your money to corrupt the political system and take trillions of dollars from programs that people in need rely on. That's theft, no matter how Alex Jones and Sean Hannity have taught you to spin it.

Loopholes need to be closed, but corporate apologists like you make that borderline impossible to do effectively because you refuse to stand up for your own rights. You argue on behalf of their bottom lines that do nothing for you, and it's usually out of misplaced anger and fear of what's unknown to you.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 06:11 PM

Last thing I'll say:

If a government continuously refuses to take care of it's people, the people will take care of themselves by any means necessary. Crime will continue to grow, and the poor people on the bottom will continue to be angry at a society that wants to use them, but doesn't want to provide them with a dignified way of life with really basic things like healthcare and quality education because they already sold the future to big businesses.

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