Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

OccultHawk · 12-02-2017, 03:13 PM

Do it!

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The Batlord · 12-02-2017, 03:39 PM

Don't do it! Huey Lewis sucks!

OccultHawk · 12-04-2017, 07:11 PM

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The funny thing about you commie anarchist punks is that you actually think you would win a "class war."

I’m ok with losing.

**Goofle** · 12-04-2017, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

there's always class war

and we're obviously losing it by the fact that the population isn't fully aware of it

I'm pretty sure the 50%~ of people who take more from the government than they put in are quite happy with how things work. Keep the stuff coming.

OccultHawk · 12-05-2017, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I'm pretty sure the 50%~ of people who take more from the government than they put in are quite happy with how things work. Keep the stuff coming.

Let’s say it’s 50%. I don’t really know but I’ve heard in America you have to pay taxes on over $100,000 to be a net positive for the state.

I don’t think it’s anywhere near the full 50% who understand that they’re actually a drain on the system. Anecdotal here, I admit, but most people who pay anything think of themselves as contributors and resent others they perceive as drains. Not many people think about whether they want to be a part of the economy at all and then fewer still conclude they don’t. So yeah, I’m an army of one. So be it.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 02:46 AM

I'm an Ojibwe native, and most of us live on these things called reservations, which is the same thing as the ghettos that Nazis put jews into, and the vast majority of our reservations are poor and with corrupt government. I was fortunate enough to be born in a decent suburb, but I was still poor. We lived in low-income housing that had mold issues in it. There's hardly any regulation or enforcement that says low-income housing has to be up to any standard, and that's just one example of what's wrong with America. It's convinced half of the population that voting can't change anything, and half of the voters that changing things will somehow result in terrorism and more scary black and brown people coming to a house near them. None of it's true, but we've been deprived for years, and it's not just people of color even though they're the most likely to be effected by it. White people who are poor are usually most likely to be targeted and manipulated by the republican party to keep class and race tensions high so that they can continue to give corporate handouts to donors like the Koch Brothers, McDonalds, Walmart, etc... and what's sad is that instead of working to change that, the democrats would rather play it safe with a weak candidate like Hillary Clinton who's more than willing to meet the fascists in the middle.

They're gonna use every lie at their disposal to not spend money on poor folks, because we're just expendable to them. That's what that bill is about, middle class and working class folks who voted for Trump won't see any of that money, and if anything those corporations will cut jobs and spend the money trying to expand their empires.

Maajo · 12-05-2017, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I'm pretty sure the 50%~ of people who take more from the government than they put in are quite happy with how things work. Keep the stuff coming.

Look everyone, it's Mitt Romney.

The folks who take the most from government are easily corporations and Wall Street, unless that's who you're referring to. $300 a month in food stamps adds up, but it doesn't add up to the savings that businesses especially in retail and fast food get by paying low wages to folks so that they have to apply for programs like SNAP, or the multi-trillion dollar bailouts that they got in 2008 from a financial crisis that they caused. Most folks don't just sit around and make barely enough money to live off of for no good reason.

The Batlord · 12-05-2017, 01:11 PM

Apple Owes $14.5 Billion in Back Taxes to Ireland, E.U. Says

DwnWthVwls · 12-05-2017, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

just outright the wealthy are the biggest drain on the system by hoarding way more wealth than what's proportional to what they contribute to society

Curious how the math works out when you calculate percentages across any class or individual. Is a household that brings in 100k a year hoarding 10% without any societal contribution less "bad" than a billionaire hoarding the same 10% with equal contribution?

Oriphiel · 12-05-2017, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tolstoy

whoever has the most money is obviously always at fault

i'm no religious scholar or proponent of religion but there is something to the commandment not to covet thy neighbor's ox

Quoted so that elphenor doesn't look insane when he inevitably responds

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Maajo Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 513	I'm an Ojibwe native, and most of us live on these things called reservations, which is the same thing as the ghettos that Nazis put jews into, and the vast majority of our reservations are poor and with corrupt government. I was fortunate enough to be born in a decent suburb, but I was still poor. We lived in low-income housing that had mold issues in it. There's hardly any regulation or enforcement that says low-income housing has to be up to any standard, and that's just one example of what's wrong with America. It's convinced half of the population that voting can't change anything, and half of the voters that changing things will somehow result in terrorism and more scary black and brown people coming to a house near them. None of it's true, but we've been deprived for years, and it's not just people of color even though they're the most likely to be effected by it. White people who are poor are usually most likely to be targeted and manipulated by the republican party to keep class and race tensions high so that they can continue to give corporate handouts to donors like the Koch Brothers, McDonalds, Walmart, etc... and what's sad is that instead of working to change that, the democrats would rather play it safe with a weak candidate like Hillary Clinton who's more than willing to meet the fascists in the middle. They're gonna use every lie at their disposal to not spend money on poor folks, because we're just expendable to them. That's what that bill is about, middle class and working class folks who voted for Trump won't see any of that money, and if anything those corporations will cut jobs and spend the money trying to expand their empires.