Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

The Batlord · 12-19-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

When you can't do anything about it, it's not immoral to live one's life.

Say you throw your $5 into the charity bucket the next time you go out. How long will it take that $5 to be transformed into something that will save a life? How much of it will actually go to the people in need?

How do you know you can't do anything about it? How hard have you checked?

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Until I see you selling all of your material goods and giving the money to charity, you can fuck off with the moral guilt trip.

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Yeah this is the point. This is what basically all people do and it's not justifiable. I mean I just spent $16 on a hundred each of plastic bags and cardboard backs for a ****load of comics that have been sitting in a pile unread for like two years. How is that okay when somebody is currently hungry?

I'm not judging you for not doing more, I'm pointing out that your logic is flawed and you should at the very least accept that how we're both living our lives is not morally justifiable.

OccultHawk · 12-19-2018, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

You may have enough to survive, but you never know what tomorrow will bring. All of that money could become worthless due to inflation and supply saturation. And the more that you have, the more you can give to those in need.

In your mind, self preservation = selfishness. You just want everyone to be equal, whether that means we're all rich or all poor.

No. He wants people to reject mindless consumerism and build meaningful relationships with their communities and then create a society based on cooperation

~~[MERIT]~~ · 12-19-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I'm not judging you for not doing more, I'm pointing out that your logic is flawed and you should at the very least accept that how we're both living our lives is not morally justifiable.

I think that proximity is the primer here; the factor that determines how much we care. We care MORE about what we can see, smell, touch, etc. because it affects us more than someone telling us about people suffering in some far-off place. It's just a part of the human condition. It's just how our brains are wired. Sensory perception > hypothetical scenarios. And we can only do so much. No one person can save the world [unless they have a heinous amount of money].

The Batlord · 12-19-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

I think that proximity is the primer here; the factor that determines how much we care. We care MORE about what we can see, smell, touch, etc. because it affects us more than someone telling us about people suffering in some far-off place. It's just a part of the human condition. It's just how our brains are wired. Sensory perception > hypothetical scenarios. And we can only do so much. No one person can save the world [unless they have a heinous amount of money].

Yes. Exactly. Totally. But people are still dying and it's not subjective and we have at least a few bucks to spare. Or you know we could volunteer at a soup kitchen. Or volunteer anywhere. Or just do something that 99.999% of our fellow humans aren't doing.

DwnWthVwls · 12-19-2018, 03:22 PM

This is all very entertaining.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 12-19-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Yes. Exactly. Totally. But people are still dying and it's not subjective and we have at least a few bucks to spare. Or you know we could volunteer at a soup kitchen. Or volunteer anywhere. Or just do something that 99.999% of our fellow humans aren't doing.

We're sitting here, bitching at one another, when we KNOW in our hearts who the people are who are causing the problems. It's an exercise in futility. Would your $5 be better spent feeding into a system that will continue to create more homeless and hungry people, or would it be better spent introducing chaos in hopes of changing the system? That choice is up to you.