Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

The Batlord · 11-28-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if you already have yourself a nice job

his setup is how automation caused unemployment/underemployment

then he proposes something that does nothing to fix that problem

either UBI has to be a complete substitute for working or you have to create jobs

That would basically double my pay so I'm not opposed.

OccultHawk · 11-28-2018, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

That would basically double my pay so I'm not opposed.

Church

The Batlord · 11-28-2018, 04:12 PM

Yeah it's not enough to live on but all you have to do is get a minimum wage job and I guess get a room mate and hey ho you actually can live. That's a hell of a lot better than we have now and a far better starting point than I suspect I'll get in my lifetime.

OccultHawk · 11-28-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Yeah it's not enough to live on but all you have to do is get a minimum wage job and I guess get a room mate and hey ho you actually can live. That's a hell of a lot better than we have now and a far better starting point than I suspect I'll get in my lifetime.

I could live alone on 24 g no problem.

The Batlord · 11-28-2018, 05:08 PM

And I imagine if you start giving middle class people making 60k, 70k, 80k an extra 12k a year they'll start to warm up to the idea. Will it directly make the world a better place to give them more money? Not so much, but if all of a sudden they're far more receptive to the idea of raising UBI to 2k a month then that'll be a hell of a thing.

And all those working class conservatives might actually shut up and start taking a hard look at how much they're actively opposed to socialism/democratic socialism/whatever. Plenty of those people wanted to fight tooth and nail against Obamacare but once they got it and then their politicians tried taking it away they lost all that vim and vigor real ****ing quick.

Even a thousand bucks a month could be a serious game changer as far as public opinion goes.

OccultHawk · 11-28-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm for it only insofar as I'm for anything that redistributes wealth from the rich

his plan to pay for it is taxes on corporations, I'm sold already

but as you're also giving money to people who don't need it, it's not a very efficient form of that

why not instead pass a minimum wage increase that doubles your pay

Because **** having to work.

$1000 a month will keep you alive

The difference between $1000 and $0 is the difference between reading novels and listening to Spotify at the library while a robot cuts fish or me going down there at 6 AM and doing **** that can be automated.

If the only way it sells is to give it to everyone then give it to everyone

It’s a ****ing prison break

It’s a ****ing key out of the prison of work

If I moved in with Batlord and his mom we’d have 36g between us collectively

Bat and I get girlfriends and it’s 60g. We could have nice family dinners and smoke weed.

Seriously what the **** how the ****

This would open so many avenues of freedom. You could live in a van. Drive around the country. Work here and there and worst case scenario is you’d be broke until the first of the month.

OccultHawk · 11-28-2018, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

$1000 is not even enough to rent a room and have money for food+gas where I'm at

I'd still have to go to my **** job

if I wanted to do odd jobs and live in a van I could already do that

You can get a studio in Dallas for $600. $200 for ramen and eggs. $200 for whatever. **** a car and gas. You don’t need to get to work.

And you could not live in a van doing odd jobs without UBI. Your van would break down you’d be strapped to your location.

Do you still live with your parents? It seems like you can’t distinguish being poor and being dead broke. It’s like you don’t get how liberating it would be to remove dead broke from the possibilities. Having a little money is so much different than having no money. UBI would remove so much fear from so many people’s lives.

**Frownland** · 11-28-2018, 06:05 PM

If my loans were absolved, I'd quit my job today for 1k a month.

OccultHawk · 11-28-2018, 06:06 PM

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imagine you don't have a car

I don’t have a car. I walk to work. Big deal. Burning fossil fuel is bull**** anyway.

OccultHawk · 11-28-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

If my loans were absolved, I'd quit my job today for 1k a month.

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