Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

**Goofle** · 12-11-2017, 09:25 AM

Fair enough. I don't know anything about that particular movement.

OccultHawk · 12-11-2017, 09:37 AM

Probably because it doesn’t even really exist lol

The way I imagine it is like voluntary segregation without the hate

It’s been awhile since I thought about it

DwnWthVwls · 12-11-2017, 11:35 AM

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I’d rather live like our anatomically modern ancerstors did for at least 200,000 years and every other living organism has lived forever: without money.

It’s not a utopian thought experiment. Our current situation, which is a temporary trap, is the weird anomaly.

Than go live in the woods like they did.. No one is stopping you. Plenty of remote locations where you'll never be bothered.. I'd put money that you don't have the skills, energy, or motivation to make it work though. Instead you'll complain about your place in a society you hate and be miserable.

The funny thing is I don't really disagree with you. I idealize the way native americans lived minus the tribal warfare, but I'm the first to admit I have been corrupted by the society I was raised in, and while it sounds wonderful, I'm way to far gone to ever enjoy the kind of living.. No internet? No video games? No instant gratification, amazing health care, high life expectancy, and easy travel? No thank you. Worst of all no MusicBanter!! The trade offs would have been probably been worth it if I wasn't raised this way, but there is no going back. Sooo, again, stop pretending like you want it and just do it, because youre full of **** until you do.. Less talk more action.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-11-2017, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Than go live in the woods like they did.. No one is stopping you. Plenty of remote locations where you'll never be bothered.. I'd put money that you don't have the skills, energy, or motivation to make it work though. Instead you'll complain about your place in a society you hate and be miserable.

Good post.

**Frownland** · 12-11-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Than go live in the woods like they did.. No one is stopping you. Plenty of remote locations where you'll never be bothered.. I'd put money that you don't have the skills, energy, or motivation to make it work though. Instead you'll complain about your place in a society you hate and be miserable.

The funny thing is I don't really disagree with you. I idealize the way native americans lived minus the tribal warfare, but I'm the first to admit I have been corrupted by the society I was raised in, and while it sounds wonderful, I'm way to far gone to ever enjoy the kind of living.. No internet? No video games? No instant gratification, amazing health care, high life expectancy, and easy travel? No thank you. Worst of all no MusicBanter!! The trade offs would have been probably been worth it if I wasn't raised this way, but there is no going back. Sooo, again, stop pretending like you want it and just do it, because youre full of **** until you do.. Less talk more action.

No money=/=no modern luxuries

DwnWthVwls · 12-11-2017, 11:47 AM

That's not true. We haven't found/developed a functional no money system for the globe to adopt or agree on, and while I don't think it's impossible, yes, for the time being, no money does in fact = no modern luxuries.

**Frownland** · 12-11-2017, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

That's not true. We haven't found/developed a functional no money system for the globe to adopt or agree on, and while I don't think it's impossible, yes, for the time being, no money does in fact = no modern luxuries.

Some of them, sure, but it's hella disingenuous to pose living off of the land as an alternative to a money system.

OccultHawk · 12-11-2017, 11:50 AM

The thing is, UBI and more and more automation making menial **** work obsolete have a real chance of coming to fruition congruently. That’s not just wishful thinking. So your move to Russia or go starve in Alaska, or whatever variation on “Love It or Leave It” you’re challenging me with is irrelevant.

DwnWthVwls · 12-11-2017, 11:55 AM

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Some of them, sure, but it's hella disingenuous to pose living off of the land as an alternative to a money system.

I'm not posing it as an alternative.. I'm posing it as a, if you don't like the current societal system here is your only option that doesn't involve money. I suppose he could also go live on a kibbutz or find some non-money niche community to take him in, but I doubt he'd like that very much.

**Frownland** · 12-11-2017, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I'm not posing it as an alternative.. I'm posing it as a, if you don't like the current societal system here is your only option that doesn't involve money. I suppose he could also go live on a kibbutz or find some non-money niche community to take him in, but I doubt he'd like that very much.

So where can I live in the woods without having to buy property or pay taxes?

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	The thing is, UBI and more and more automation making menial **** work obsolete have a real chance of coming to fruition congruently. That’s not just wishful thinking. So your move to Russia or go starve in Alaska, or whatever variation on “Love It or Leave It” you’re challenging me with is irrelevant. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html