Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

DwnWthVwls · 12-08-2017, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this is a sort of meaningless truism of the system we inhabit akin to "life isn't fair"

for a minority of the population right now it's actually outright false

anarchic/communist schools of thought are built around reducing the "have to do" for the general population transferring it where it can be to the "want to do"

Those 2 phrases are in direct conflict. I'll let you explain before I make any further comments.

Chula Vista · 12-08-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

My bad. I mean honestly youre an emotional alcoholic mess, you can't even wrap your head around your own ideas let alone anyone elses on this forum. And I highly doubt you walk around insulting everyone that disagrees with you and cursing every other word in person.

Re: YOUR post. In a year, a billionaire makes 150 thousand dollars in 5 days.

You cool with that? You dig the fact that mega-rich people step all over us minions? Us minions survive tax codes. The mega-rich exploit them to death.

Go back and re-read your post. It's pathetic.

OccultHawk · 12-08-2017, 06:52 PM

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In a year, a billionaire makes 150 thousand dollars in 5 days.

lol

The Batlord · 12-08-2017, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Re: YOUR post. In a year, a billionaire makes 150 thousand dollars in 5 days.

You cool with that? You dig the fact that mega-rich people step all over us minions? Us minions survive tax codes. The mega-rich exploit them to death.

Go back and re-read your post. It's pathetic.

Take your medication, old man.

DwnWthVwls · 12-08-2017, 09:03 PM

Either it's a truism or it's false? Pick one. Meaningless =/= not true.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Chula Vista · 12-09-2017, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Either it's a truism or it's false?

Is it true that the mega-rich have the means to exploit the tax system that us minions don't? And therefore, they get richer while us minions struggle to keep getting by?

True of false?

"An emotional alcoholic mess......"

Nice. Really, really nice.

Maajo · 12-09-2017, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Am I they only one here that things a pure form of any governmental philosophy is flawed and will inevitably fail, but Frankensteining a government that takes pieces from each would work much better?

Currently, that's what's happening all over the world - the Chinese figured out how to combine the American system with communism and they're currently executing that vision to great success. It's pretty insane how seriously the Chinese government takes business and how organized they are - they've built entire cities that are practically empty in planning for the future. I think the US would be smart to begin socializing more of these public services like they do in Europe and maybe even consider planning the future the way that China does, or else we're going to continue to fall behind just for a the few billionaires who are having a great time with this system.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 12-10-2017, 01:03 AM

So, anyone who is against a universal basic income, would you reject such money of it was given to you?

Chula Vista · 12-10-2017, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

China is like the worst of both worlds.

It's gotten amazingly better in the last 10-15 years.

China Labor Watch-Labor Laws and Compliance

OccultHawk · 12-10-2017, 03:32 PM

Not sure if I’m buying that one.

This is from YOUR LINK:

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On August 11, 2017, China Labor Watch dispatched investigators to four toy factories in China, including Shaoguan Early Light, Dongguan Changan Mattel, Dongguan Qualidux (Guangda), Shenzhen Winson (Taiqiang). These factories primarily supply for Walmart, Disney, Mattel, Hasbro, Target, Big Lots, Costco, Bandai, Infantino, Zoli, Combi, TOMY, Hama, Lanvin, and other companies. Many of these brand companies have promised to uphold the rights of factory workers, establishing codes of conduct. Yet our findings suggest that they continue to blatantly violate the rights and interests of workers who manufacture their products.

China Labor Watch has been investigating working conditions in toy factories for over 18 years. We witness mistreatments and tragedies constantly occurring in the industry. In order to manufacture toys for children around the world, Chinese workers must distant themselves from their parents and children, leave behind their loved ones to go and work in a place entirely unfamiliar to them. Every day workers toil for 12 hours, and if they do not work overtime, can only earn 250 USD a month, leading to workers desperately working overtime to barely maintain their livelihood. After working at the four factories and numerous interviews with around 400 workers, our investigators have discovered the following violations of Chinese labor law and worker mistreatments:

Excessive overtime hours remain an issue across all four factories. Chinese labor law stipulates that laborers shall work no more than eight hours a day, and no more than 44 hours a week. Where the employer wishes to extend working hours, total extension cannot exceed 36 hours a month. All four factories had workers putting in over 80 overtime hours a month, with some clocking in around 140 overtime hours.

Workers exposed to toxic chemicals are normally not provided with adequate protective equipment. At Early Light, workers were not informed of any protective measures, and are only provided with a mask. At Qualidux, only work hats are provided.

Dormitory conditions are substandard. Eight or more workers are squeezed into a small dorm room, and ten or more workers share a bathroom. In some dormitories, workers have to sleep in stifling heat during the summer, and the bathrooms are malodorous, with litter everywhere.

Emergency exits are also frequently obstructed in manufacturing areas and living quarters. At Early Light and Winson, piles of products are scattered everywhere, blocking pathways and emergency exits. Fire extinguishers in the dormitory area of Qualidux were last checked in 2016, and have been expired for over a year.

I wonder if they make speakers...

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