Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

**Frownland** · 12-08-2017, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

at my current job I may express my individuality by choosing to wear a black shirt with pockets or a black shirt without pockets

I will buy you a black Anal Cunt t shirt.

DwnWthVwls · 12-08-2017, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this is a sort of meaningless truism of the system we inhabit akin to "life isn't fair"

for a minority of the population right now it's actually outright false

anarchic/communist schools of thought are built around reducing the "have to do" for the general population transferring it where it can be to the "want to do"

Those 2 phrases are in direct conflict. I'll let you explain before I make any further comments.

OccultHawk · 12-08-2017, 06:52 PM

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In a year, a billionaire makes 150 thousand dollars in 5 days.

lol

DwnWthVwls · 12-08-2017, 09:03 PM

Either it's a truism or it's false? Pick one. Meaningless =/= not true.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Chula Vista · 12-09-2017, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Either it's a truism or it's false?

Is it true that the mega-rich have the means to exploit the tax system that us minions don't? And therefore, they get richer while us minions struggle to keep getting by?

True of false?

"An emotional alcoholic mess......"

Nice. Really, really nice.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 12-10-2017, 01:03 AM

So, anyone who is against a universal basic income, would you reject such money of it was given to you?

OccultHawk · 12-10-2017, 03:32 PM

Not sure if I’m buying that one.

This is from YOUR LINK:

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On August 11, 2017, China Labor Watch dispatched investigators to four toy factories in China, including Shaoguan Early Light, Dongguan Changan Mattel, Dongguan Qualidux (Guangda), Shenzhen Winson (Taiqiang). These factories primarily supply for Walmart, Disney, Mattel, Hasbro, Target, Big Lots, Costco, Bandai, Infantino, Zoli, Combi, TOMY, Hama, Lanvin, and other companies. Many of these brand companies have promised to uphold the rights of factory workers, establishing codes of conduct. Yet our findings suggest that they continue to blatantly violate the rights and interests of workers who manufacture their products.

China Labor Watch has been investigating working conditions in toy factories for over 18 years. We witness mistreatments and tragedies constantly occurring in the industry. In order to manufacture toys for children around the world, Chinese workers must distant themselves from their parents and children, leave behind their loved ones to go and work in a place entirely unfamiliar to them. Every day workers toil for 12 hours, and if they do not work overtime, can only earn 250 USD a month, leading to workers desperately working overtime to barely maintain their livelihood. After working at the four factories and numerous interviews with around 400 workers, our investigators have discovered the following violations of Chinese labor law and worker mistreatments:

Excessive overtime hours remain an issue across all four factories. Chinese labor law stipulates that laborers shall work no more than eight hours a day, and no more than 44 hours a week. Where the employer wishes to extend working hours, total extension cannot exceed 36 hours a month. All four factories had workers putting in over 80 overtime hours a month, with some clocking in around 140 overtime hours.

Workers exposed to toxic chemicals are normally not provided with adequate protective equipment. At Early Light, workers were not informed of any protective measures, and are only provided with a mask. At Qualidux, only work hats are provided.

Dormitory conditions are substandard. Eight or more workers are squeezed into a small dorm room, and ten or more workers share a bathroom. In some dormitories, workers have to sleep in stifling heat during the summer, and the bathrooms are malodorous, with litter everywhere.

Emergency exits are also frequently obstructed in manufacturing areas and living quarters. At Early Light and Winson, piles of products are scattered everywhere, blocking pathways and emergency exits. Fire extinguishers in the dormitory area of Qualidux were last checked in 2016, and have been expired for over a year.

I wonder if they make speakers...

The Batlord · 12-10-2017, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Not sure if I’m buying that one.

This is from YOUR LINK:

I wonder if they make speakers...

I'm sure Chula never checked.

DwnWthVwls · 12-10-2017, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this is a sort of meaningless truism of the system we inhabit akin to "life isn't fair"

for a minority of the population right now it's actually outright false

anarchic/communist schools of thought are built around reducing the "have to do" for the general population transferring it where it can be to the "want to do"

Okay, so based on your follow up reply, yeah I kind of agree that retirees and potentially trustfund stupid rich people do have that luxury more than we do.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Soviet Russia provided opportunities for self expression in that you did get to choose your own job

at my current job I may express my individuality by choosing to wear a black shirt with pockets or a black shirt without pockets

so because a system allows for some self expression doesn't mean that the self expression is meaningful

and in there lies my critique neither Capitalism nor Authoritarian Communism provides meaningful individualism in a way that you'd want to boast about

Choose your own job from a list of approved jobs or can you literally go out and try to make a career out of anything? The freedom/individuality I was talking about is not following a dress code. It's about having the freedom to leave your black shirt job and pursue something that makes you happy. I am the individual I want to be and as a non-oppressed minority have every opportunity to make something of myself, idk what other kind of individualism and freedom you could ask for. Also, the rich have no control over me voting with my dollar contrary to what Chula tries to push on everyone. People shop at Walmart because they can't be bothered not to or simply don't care enough.

DwnWthVwls · 12-11-2017, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

lol not exactly

People shop at Walmart because they are broke

and because for instance where i live there is hardly any alternatives because the corporation ruthlessely eliminates small buisness as part of its game plan

Im willing to acknowledge that for the people in the situation you describe its justified, but how do you justify it for all the other people who have alternatives and arent broke? Because thats the demographic of every NJ Walmart ive been to.

Also, LOL at Chula expecting a response from me.

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