Originally Posted by Janszoon

I think that is by far the most likely scenario.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

From a scientific standpoint it wouldn't be reasonable. I'm reasonably confident it's all psychological mumbo jumbo that most are too arrogant and unimaginative to think might apply to them, but I'd still never say I know.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

From a scientific standpoint it wouldn't be reasonable. I'm reasonably confident it's all psychological mumbo jumbo that most are too arrogant and unimaginative to think might apply to them, but I'd still never say I know.

Originally Posted by elphenor

it's possible sure it just becomes silly when prefaced with "everything must have a cause" as some kind of argument

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

To me, the whole idea of "cause and effect" is a consequence of (a) our perception of time and (b) conservation of mass/energy. If the laws of physics were different, would every effect require a cause?

My point is that our most basic axioms in logic are based on our observations of the world. Would 2 + 2 = 4 be a truism outside the laws of physics? I'm not sure. We've already discovered how wrong human intuition is about very small objects moving at very high speed. Outside the laws of physics, God might not need to be created.

Regardless, my proposed God would be undetectable, so there's really no point to discussing it other than fun speculation.

Originally Posted by elphenor

you may have missed the point

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Me too actually, except for the energy out of nowhere part.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I meant the whole being to stupid to comprehend infinity part.