The Afterlife

Trollheart · 09-27-2017, 08:38 PM

Religion aside, do you believe in life after death? Or if you don't, do you wish there was? If you're Christian or whatever religions preach that there is life after death, do you believe it or do you just shrug and hope it's so? If you're not, and you believe we all end up just, as Waits says, dirt in the ground, are you okay with this or do you wish there was something we could look forward to? Do you look on the idea of being reunited with your loved ones with scorn, but secretly wish it could happen, or do you in fact believe this is what awaits us after death? Or have you resigned yourself to the belief that once people are gone, they're gone, and you'll never be reunited with them? What are your thoughts about death? Does it scare you? Do you think about it a lot? Are you comfortable knowing you will die at some point, or are you thinking about cryo? Looking for ways to live forever?

**Frownland** · 09-27-2017, 09:15 PM

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Religion aside, do you believe in life after death?

There is the possibility that we don't understand life at all and what we view as death is some kind of sentience that we haven't understood.

There's also the concept that the amount of activity in the brain causes us to perceive time in an extremely slow manner. That brain activity would cause us to experience time as far slower than if you were healthy. Monumentally slower. There's a chance that it could be infinitesimally slower. Combine that with the tales of people's life flashing before their eyes (I do kind of wonder if this is a Western thing, I haven't read up on it), you basically just live your life again for an eternity. That might be what enforces some people who have near death experiences to believe in a heaven or hell, because if you have a ****ty life then your near death experience is going to be too, right? People who live like a ****in Mormon sitcom and dig that experience that from a sheltered little brief experience that's different from their life.

Could be 100% bull**** and the opposite though. Or so wrong it's not even on the same plane.

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Or if you don't, do you wish there was?

I could take it or leave it. I don't know what I would be signing up for tbh, there could be a lot of work involved and idk about that.

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If you're not, and you believe we all end up just, as Waits says, dirt in the ground, are you okay with this or do you wish there was something we could look forward to?

I don't know if I would say that I believe that, but I don't see any reason to doubt it.

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Do you look on the idea of being reunited with your loved ones with scorn, but secretly wish it could happen, or do you in fact believe this is what awaits us after death?

How do I know they're going to pick out all of my loved ones? I don't like about a third of my family or many of the people who consider me a loved one, even though whenever they die I feel a lot of empathy for the way they go and the timing within other people's lives. That just sounds like a lot of work tbh.

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Or have you resigned yourself to the belief that once people are gone, they're gone, and you'll never be reunited with them?

[cheesy answer about how learning about them through the people that are left behind is like being reunited with them]

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What are your thoughts about death?

It's a hard fact and it's probably not in our best interest in the long run. You can only find out the hard way. I'm not really seeking it out.

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Does it scare you?

The real death experience, I do kind of look forward to it in a way because I almost see it like doing a crazy new drug. I would rather work on making my life good than worry about what happens when I'm done.

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Do you think about it a lot?

I think about real world deaths a lot and how much they suck, but I don't ponder much about the afterlife.

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Are you comfortable knowing you will die at some point, or are you thinking about cryo?

I cryo every day, but not about the afterlife. I'm comfortable with the concept of death as the end. I'm not comfortable with it coming upon me or anyone else.

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Looking for ways to live forever?

We know that the world will go on around us, so we can only do whatever we can and leave the biggest footprint so that no one forgets you.

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Zhanteimi · 09-27-2017, 10:48 PM

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Trollheart · 09-28-2017, 01:11 PM

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I believe there is life and that the "afterlife", as it's mistakenly called, is a continuation of this one. If anything, this should be called the "forelife". I don't really think it will much matter about loved ones. It depends on the relationship. Like, I have no doubt Kedvesem and I will be playing in Our Lady's garden together, but my children--whom I dearly love--will be merely bowing acquaintances.

Death both scares me and doesn't scare me. It scares me insofar as it's a mystery and I don't want to be presumptuous, but it also doesn't scare me insofar as I know death has lost its sting. It doesn't have to be the end. It can be a transition to something glorious so that, when we are there at last gazing upon and being swept up in the Beatific Vision, we can look at one another and say, "We have always been in Heaven".

Can you explain what you mean by that? I don't understand the reference here at all.

**Frownland** · 09-28-2017, 01:30 PM

He wants his afterlife to involved subservient children.

Trollheart · 09-28-2017, 02:06 PM

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He wants his afterlife to involved subservient children.

It does kind of sound like that, doesn't it?

Paul Smeenus · 09-28-2017, 02:17 PM

No afterlife. This is the only consciousness we get.

Psy-Fi · 09-28-2017, 02:54 PM

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It does kind of sound like that, doesn't it?

I misread it as "bowling acquaintances."

Trollheart · 09-28-2017, 03:13 PM

Frown, thanks for the long and considered reply. Let me respond to a few points here:

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There is the possibility that we don't understand life at all and what we view as death is some kind of sentience that we haven't understood.

This is very possible. Even Christianity kind of tells us that life is a preparation for the afterlife, as if we're in training before being hit with the real thing. Maybe we should all walk around with "Trainee" badges on us?

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There's also the concept that the amount of activity in the brain causes us to perceive time in an extremely slow manner. That brain activity would cause us to experience time as far slower than if you were healthy. Monumentally slower. There's a chance that it could be infinitesimally slower. Combine that with the tales of people's life flashing before their eyes (I do kind of wonder if this is a Western thing, I haven't read up on it), you basically just live your life again for an eternity. That might be what enforces some people who have near death experiences to believe in a heaven or hell, because if you have a ****ty life then your near death experience is going to be too, right? People who live like a ****in Mormon sitcom and dig that experience that from a sheltered little brief experience that's different from their life.

Could be 100% bull**** and the opposite though. Or so wrong it's not even on the same plane.

This is very interesting. So are you saying we could end up living the same life but at a tremendously slowed-down rate? Or just that we would continue living, but again much slower? A sort of immortality in slow motion?

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I could take it or leave it. I don't know what I would be signing up for tbh, there could be a lot of work involved and idk about that.

You mean you don't want to work in God's paddy fields after death?

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I don't know if I would say that I believe that, but I don't see any reason to doubt it.

Nor do I, to be honest, but I don't want it to be true. I want to believe there is something, whether it's Heaven or some variant, a reincarnation or some new plane of existence, a great journey to be undertaken.

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How do I know they're going to pick out all of my loved ones? I don't like about a third of my family or many of the people who consider me a loved one, even though whenever they die I feel a lot of empathy for the way they go and the timing within other people's lives. That just sounds like a lot of work tbh.

I guess I'm lucky then. I can't think of anyone I've lost with whom I would not wish to be reunited.

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[cheesy answer about how learning about them through the people that are left behind is like being reunited with them]

I suppose, but it's not the same is it?

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It's a hard fact and it's probably not in our best interest in the long run. You can only find out the hard way. I'm not really seeking it out.

Neither am I, but it's always there. I especially fear going before Karen, as I honestly don't know what would happen to her.

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The real death experience, I do kind of look forward to it in a way because I almost see it like doing a crazy new drug. I would rather work on making my life good than worry about what happens when I'm done.

I certainly wouldn't think if it that way, though as I say above, the idea of starting out on some new amazing journey is very appealing.

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I cryo every day, but not about the afterlife. I'm comfortable with the concept of death as the end. I'm not comfortable with it coming upon me or anyone else.

Of course I meant cryogenics. You knew that.

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We know that the world will go on around us, so we can only do whatever we can and leave the biggest footprint so that no one forgets you.

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This is true. Be the best you can while you live, and make sure that when you're gone people will speak kindly of you and remember you with fondness.
(That's me ****ed then!)

I suppose I'm just thinking about this more now that I have something to fear, as I mentioned above. It's kind of on my mind a lot of the time. Not healthy I'm sure, but there it is.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 09-28-2017, 03:18 PM

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The real death experience, I do kind of look forward to it in a way because I almost see it like doing a crazy new drug.

Same. It's the one thing we are all going to go through and we cannot stop it. It's scary and also exciting.

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