Satanism

The Batlord · 09-25-2017, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

#notallsatanists

#nolivesmatter

Lucem Ferre · 09-25-2017, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Given your username I would have thought this would have been right in your wheelhouse.
Oh Dark One.

Nope. The devil has always represented something I can identify with. My perspective differs from others and my admiration mirrors the kind of admiration Batlord has for Batman or Deadpool or who ever the hell he identifies with from his fictional stories.

Really, the thing that made the devil the symbol of evil or the nemesis in Christianity is because he questioned and went against god. That is considered more foul than all of the most heartbreaking atrocities we can think of. This book wasn't written to teach you morals or give you a true sense of purpose or comfort you with the idea of afterlife. It was meant to keep you obedient. A trend you can see through all religions. It's training your brain to put faith in your government. To not question it when it acts up. And to hate those that question it or seem to stand against it. Is it coincidence that most radical political regimes are ultra religious? Or that the people that care more about 'respecting' a flag than the systematic murder of minorities or needless wars with thousands of unnecessary casualties are usually Christian? I don't think so.

Lucem Ferre · 09-25-2017, 11:46 PM

And you think a moral God would openly condemn bigotry, rape and pedophilia. Nope. These are all morals we have developed as human beings that realize that wrong is what causes harm and vice versa. These ****ty excuses are wearing thin. If somebody needs religion for morals they are stupid. If somebody needs it for comfort they are a coward. If somebody needs it to feel significant they are lazy. I never even got that anyways. How does the idea of God make anybody feel important? Cause ultimately there is no reason for a god to exist or this relationship between man and god. I can't milk a purpose from it that's any different from what I'd just make up on my own so why not stop over complicating things and make your own purpose anyways? We really need to start ripping the band aide off and start confronting the meaningless of life head on so humanity can evolve past it's inevitable plague of severe depression into what ever brilliance comes after that.

Trollheart · 09-26-2017, 06:12 AM

First, obviously I was joking about the name. Duh.

Second, excellent posts and very well written.

I will mention that (though I'm not a Christian I have respect for Jesus, if he existed and was the person written about in the Bible) there are examples of tolerance in the Bible, mostly when JC was alive. What about the way he stopped the crowd stoning Mary Magdalene? That always impressed me (although you just KNOW there had to be some ****er in the crowd at the back who would throw a stone anyway, and once it started....) as well as his love for children. Sure there are horrible things in the Bible but mostly this is our own fault for misinterpreting or fitting the lessons here to what we want them to say.

Let's not forget that the principle message Jesus preached was not hate but love, even if this ended up getting lost once he was gone. As for why people believe in a god, well I feel it's weakness and a refusal to take responsibility for their actions. Much easier to say "God made me do it/ I did it in God's name" or "The crops failed because God is angry that we have gay people in our village" or whatever, than to look at the root causes, be they external or internal.

tealdear: I'm with you, but there is definitely some good in Christianity if you look for it, and I can understand why some people feel they need a higher power to blame when things go wrong or to make sense of things that often don't make sense.

Zhanteimi · 09-26-2017, 06:25 AM

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The Batlord · 09-26-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mord

You're sidestepping the point of religions that claim objective truth. Is it true? If it's true, none of the above is relevant. It should be followed because it's true and not otherwise. What you're talking about is religious people, not religion itself.

Religion should be followed if god exists? I mean if he's gonna damn me to eternal torment for not worshipping him then I'll suck it up and suck him off, but otherwise I'll worship him as much as any other person. Worshipping deities is such a dated concept, regardless of their existence or lack thereof. I'd like to think any god worth worshipping wouldn't want it.

Trollheart · 09-26-2017, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Religion should be followed if god exists? I mean if he's gonna damn me to eternal torment for not worshipping him then I'll suck it up and suck him off, but otherwise I'll worship him as much as any other person. Worshipping deities is such a dated concept, regardless of their existence or lack thereof. I'd like to think any god worth worshipping wouldn't want it.

Like Crom.

Lucem Ferre · 09-26-2017, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mord

You're sidestepping the point of religions that claim objective truth. Is it true? If it's true, none of the above is relevant. It should be followed because it's true and not otherwise. What you're talking about is religious people, not religion itself.

Despite the objective truth that contradicts what the bible claims with no evidence.

If God were real, I'd not follow. I think God is the most immoral and despicable thing to exist in Christianity.

Trollheart · 09-26-2017, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Despite the objective truth that contradicts what the bible claims with no evidence.

If God were real, I'd not follow. I think God is the most immoral and despicable thing to exist in Christianity.

I'm intrigued. I know it can't be, but for the sake of argument say God's existence could be empirically proven, no doubt whatever: Heaven is real, so is Hell, and if you lead a good life and follow God's teachings you are guaranteed to go to Heaven. Would you still refuse to worship God on the basis of your principles? I'm just wondering: it's easy to say you don't believe in something the existence of which can't be proven, but if it could be, would that change your opinion and your stance?

**Frownland** · 09-26-2017, 03:32 PM

I think you just throw a "sup bro, you exist" god's way to get into heaven. Unless you're a Catholic, then you have to do all sorts of archaic **** to join the club.

09-26-2017, 06:12 AM	#54 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	First, obviously I was joking about the name. Duh. Second, excellent posts and very well written. I will mention that (though I'm not a Christian I have respect for Jesus, if he existed and was the person written about in the Bible) there are examples of tolerance in the Bible, mostly when JC was alive. What about the way he stopped the crowd stoning Mary Magdalene? That always impressed me (although you just KNOW there had to be some ***er in the crowd at the back who would throw a stone anyway, and once it started....) as well as his love for children. Sure there are horrible things in the Bible but mostly this is our own fault for misinterpreting or fitting the lessons here to what we want them to say. Let's not forget that the principle message Jesus preached was not hate but love, even if this ended up getting lost once he was gone. As for why people believe in a god, well I feel it's weakness and a refusal to take responsibility for their actions. Much easier to say "God made me do it/ I did it in God's name" or "The crops failed because God is angry that we have gay people in our village" or whatever, than to look at the root causes, be they external or internal. tealdear: I'm with you, but there is definitely some good in Christianity if you look for it, and I can understand why some people feel they need a higher power to blame when things go wrong or to make sense of things that often don't make sense. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

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09-26-2017, 03:32 PM	#60 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I think you just throw a "sup bro, you exist" god's way to get into heaven. Unless you're a Catholic, then you have to do all sorts of archaic **** to join the club. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x